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Calling all miners and indy toons (what the thread should have been)
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-11-19 22:32:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
I posted this in the other thread, however I've made the decision to make a new one.
It's getting tiring now seeing thread after thread with illogical suggestions on how to deal with miner griefers. I think it's time we have a thread where we can explain to the carebears (in my case fellow carebears) exactly what they are doing wrong and exactly how they should be dealing with these situations.


People are going about the revolution all wrong.

1) Fit properly. Everyone should be in a Procurer. It should be fitted like a beast. It should be fit with ECM drones. Make gankers work for their kills. Make them pay more for their ships than yours was worth.
2) Your subscription is about to expire. Use that PLEX to extend a newly created trial account. You now have a 51-day account and a free PLEX. Extend your subscription on your main like usual. Use the alt, train it to fly a Blackbird. Congrats, you're now able to jam 2 gankers almost always.
3) Offer 0 tears. In fact, offer 0 words at all.
4) Stop wardeccing them, stop trying to gank them back, stop giving them attention on the forums.
5) Learn to enjoy other aspects of the game. Gankers crowding your systems? Go duel a corp member. Go run a mission.

If we all did this, we could all just sit back and laugh at how much effort they put per 1 measly Procurer being ganked. They would be effectively griefing themselves, having to organize with several other gankers just to land one little kill on a hull worth under 10mil ISK nowadays.

But no. NO. Let's sit in 200 million ISK hulls instead. Let's tank like a 12 year old girl instead. Let's pour a river of tears down local each time they frustrate us. That'll work...

All other indy pilots that have seen the light: Spread the word. Erase the ignorance.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-11-19 22:35:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Desivo Delta Visseroff
First!!!!


Edit:

Was it this other thread? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=294221

The information received there did turn out to be pretty helpful. I even included a good fit for better miningCool

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#3 - 2013-11-19 22:35:42 UTC
self e-peen stroking?
gank'd yourself and now you feel an urge to share this with us?

I don't get it.
John Bosch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-11-19 22:37:46 UTC
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:
lots of hard, tedious stuff


Or you could just get a mining permit. Takes like 5 mins.

www.minerbumping.com
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#5 - 2013-11-19 22:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyth Nerun
0) Buy a mining permit and follow the CODE
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:
1) Fit properly. Everyone should be in a Procurer. It should be fitted like a beast. It should be fit with ECM drones. Make gankers work for their kills. Make them pay more for their ships than yours was worth.
2) Your subscription is about to expire. Use that PLEX to extend a newly created trial account. You now have a 51-day account and a free PLEX. Extend your subscription on your main like usual. Use the alt, train it to fly a Blackbird. Congrats, you're now able to jam 2 gankers almost always.
3) Offer 0 tears. In fact, offer 0 words at all.
4) Stop wardeccing them, stop trying to gank them back, stop giving them attention on the forums.
5) Learn to enjoy other aspects of the game. Gankers crowding your systems? Go duel a corp member. Go run a mission.


EDIT: damn you John Bosch :b
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-11-19 22:44:19 UTC
if only there was some kind of ship that could bump unlicensed miners out of mining range

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#7 - 2013-11-19 22:49:58 UTC
You don't need a tank who told you this. i fit my meds with painters and webs to hold down the roids and allow me to get larger yield with the painters.

Blue
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2013-11-19 22:54:19 UTC
Try it.

No, seriously, go ahead. Take the time to setup some kind of "Miner Education Program", work to getting people through this, and learning all about how to mine properly.

And watch them ignore you when the slightly bigger dollar signs of the Retriever flash in front of them.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Leonardo Diom
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-19 22:57:34 UTC
So basically:

A) Buy the permit and follow the code.
or
B) Tank your ship
and/or
C) Have your ship orbit a roid when mining so as to reduce the chances of you getting bumped.
DSpite Culhach
#10 - 2013-11-19 23:07:59 UTC
John Bosch wrote:
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:
lots of hard, tedious stuff


Or you could just get a mining permit. Takes like 5 mins.

www.minerbumping.com


Do I want CCP tp develop a magic button that can spot scripted mining? Sure. Would I like to see more mechanics that turn mining from a sleepfest into a minigame that actually rewards player interaction? Of course.

On that note, I place "mining permits" in the same category as "isk doubling"; every person you convince to do this, rather then create a player that just moves elsewhere and tanks their ship, they make dumber, not better.

I would rather get blown to bits in a ship and be told "your fit lacked X, and you should have flown it like this :link: " then "Ha-ha n00b, gimme bribe to leave you alone next time".

What's next? Trying to convince people the earth is flat? Is that the level of the delusion now?

Remind me of that scene where that Cardassian is trying to get Picard to say "there is five lights", only here James315 is asking "how many mining permits do you need?" and kills or bumps you until you say at least "one".

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-11-19 23:08:33 UTC
I stopped reading at "toons"

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-11-19 23:14:27 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:

On that note, I place "mining permits" in the same category as "isk doubling"; every person you convince to do this, rather then create a player that just moves elsewhere and tanks their ship, they make dumber, not better.

I would rather get blown to bits in a ship and be told "your fit lacked X, and you should have flown it like this :link: " then "Ha-ha n00b, gimme bribe to leave you alone next time"..

A mining permit is the single most important part of a mining fit, more important even than mining lasers.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
DSpite Culhach
#13 - 2013-11-19 23:29:48 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:

On that note, I place "mining permits" in the same category as "isk doubling"; every person you convince to do this, rather then create a player that just moves elsewhere and tanks their ship, they make dumber, not better.

I would rather get blown to bits in a ship and be told "your fit lacked X, and you should have flown it like this :link: " then "Ha-ha n00b, gimme bribe to leave you alone next time"..

A mining permit is the single most important part of a mining fit, more important even than mining lasers.


A mining laser is an in game item. A mining permit is someone's delusion. Just call it protection money, lets call the metagame "the mafia" and get it over with.

It does not stop bots, it just provides some entertainment for those easily entertained.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#14 - 2013-11-19 23:35:33 UTC
I do like ganking Procurers. Sure you need more than one ship to do it, but they have tastier implants than the other barges, because the bot aspirants in them think they are invincible.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#15 - 2013-11-19 23:35:54 UTC
DSpite Culhach wrote:
A mining laser is an in game item. A mining permit is someone's delusion.
The value of money is just a delusion, and yet when enough people share that delusion, it becomes a thing.

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Leonardo Diom
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-11-20 00:10:57 UTC
I'd also like to point out that this whole permit deal sounds very much like a mafia scheme.
In the end this is a reasonably sophisticated protection racket.
DSpite Culhach
#17 - 2013-11-20 00:15:31 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
DSpite Culhach wrote:
A mining laser is an in game item. A mining permit is someone's delusion.
The value of money is just a delusion, and yet when enough people share that delusion, it becomes a thing.


I think you need to look up "delusion" and revisit what you just said. Unless you think that people that post here are also a delusion, in which case you might need a shrink.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#18 - 2013-11-20 00:22:53 UTC
An AFK Blackbird is not gonna jam anyone. And if you're not AFK, why not go do something that's actually not mind numbingly boring and earns you more ISK than mining?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2013-11-20 00:39:11 UTC
Leonardo Diom wrote:
I'd also like to point out that this whole permit deal sounds very much like a mafia scheme.
In the end this is a reasonably sophisticated protection racket.

scamming is also a thing here, and ganking (which isn't pvp)

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Leonardo Diom
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-11-20 00:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonardo Diom
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Leonardo Diom wrote:
I'd also like to point out that this whole permit deal sounds very much like a mafia scheme.
In the end this is a reasonably sophisticated protection racket.

scamming is also a thing here, and ganking (which isn't pvp)


Wouldn't a racket be the same as a scam anyway?
(Maybe closer to extortion)
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