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Problems Alt Tabbing

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AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-19 12:58:00 UTC
So most of the patch seems pretty solid apart from one really annoying thing. Its now really sluggish alt tabbing from one client to the next or even alt tabbing to the desktop. Now one of the things i loved about EVE was how easy it was to swtich between clients on a single monitor when running multiple account and sometimes its really important to be able to do that. Is it just me or is it allot slower for everyone else?
Merkal Aubauch
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#2 - 2013-11-19 13:02:44 UTC
Got three screens and I can't switch clients between them. Also can't force launcher nor eve client to run in DX9 mode only DX11... :/
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2013-11-19 13:06:54 UTC
I will look into this. It would be helpful to get bug reports with logs attached - see https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Ueberlisk
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#4 - 2013-11-19 14:14:45 UTC
win 7 aero seems to give errors now and then it went all sluggish.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2013-11-19 14:21:32 UTC
Ueberlisk wrote:
win 7 aero seems to give errors now and then it went all sluggish.

Aero enabled with multiple EVE clients may simply be asking for too much.

Merkal Aubauch, AndromacheDarkstar - do you have Aero enabled?

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-19 14:32:47 UTC
Yes i have, that being said ive been running up to six clients until this update with no issues whatsoever all running fullscreen and alt tabbing quite happily.
Merkal Aubauch
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#7 - 2013-11-19 14:47:59 UTC
Yea I do. Tho I used command to force start DX9 and its working good.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2013-11-19 14:49:14 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Yes i have, that being said ive been running up to six clients until this update with no issues whatsoever all running fullscreen and alt tabbing quite happily.

Could you try multiple clients under DX9 (change the setting in the launcher)? I'm wondering if DX11 and Aero is somehow heavier than DX9 and Aero.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Chi Ana
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-19 15:14:16 UTC
Confirming that Alt-tabbing is slow, hopefully we get a fix for this
Ueberlisk
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#10 - 2013-11-19 15:41:18 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
Yes i have, that being said ive been running up to six clients until this update with no issues whatsoever all running fullscreen and alt tabbing quite happily.

Could you try multiple clients under DX9 (change the setting in the launcher)? I'm wondering if DX11 and Aero is somehow heavier than DX9 and Aero.


If i run multiple clients with dx9 everything works fine.

Now if i try to run single or multiple client with dx11 it all goes slower.

I also noticed that some other programs that run at same time seem to crash and give dx errors when i alt tab between EvE and those other programs running both single and multiple clients.(they don't crash if i run eve(s) with dx9).
Mind you that with dx11 issue exists even if i don't run anything else.

One of the error i get is "Device lost (D3DERR_DEVICELOST)". might help or might not.
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-11-19 17:09:41 UTC
Have tried with DX9 and it makes no difference at all.

Have now got home and tried disabling Aero with no joy at all

Also tried no aero with DX9 and DX11 with no results.

Having played around some more i have realised that when running a single client i actually lose the ability to press alt tab and see which things are running and swap between them
Athelas Loraiel
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-11-19 19:56:39 UTC
try using fixed windows.

I found it works better then fullsceens.

why is anyone using fullscreen I wonder?
fixed win removes traces of windows, and game is very fast, and windows response and multiple clients run fantastic!"
Teal Hooligan
Decimation.
#13 - 2013-11-19 20:36:50 UTC
I'm having difficulty keeping my second monitor screens display working. Whenever I play EVE in fullscreen mode on my main monitor then my second monitor goes black. I prefer to play EVE in fullscreen mode while having the second monitor display mumble, pidgin, dot lan or watching netflix. This was never a problem before. How do I fix this?
MC'SAKE
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-11-19 23:08:51 UTC
I was having this problem before rubicon as well. Although the problem did become more apparant with rubicon. Before it would take like 5 seconds to switch between eve clients. Now it takes 10+ seconds.

However. Setting my video setting to "Fixed Windows" completely fixed the problem. Should have used that setting before!
AndromacheDarkstar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-20 13:49:21 UTC
Now using fixed windows which fixes everything.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2013-11-29 14:11:20 UTC
This issue is still present. Alt tabbing worked like a charm before Rubicon: you pressed alt tab and had the menu with all your open programs and windows visible to choose from. Now, after Rubicon, the menu with your open programs is gone as soon as you leave the game and you have to press Alt tab repeatedly again to bring it back up and choose.

This must be changed. And changed only in the only way: Back to the pre-Rubicon state. Whatever you did to the game in that regard, it's useless and it doesn't make the game any easier or better playable.

It's already a good thing that the performance was increased recently, but this issue is way worse.

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CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2013-11-29 14:26:57 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
This issue is still present. Alt tabbing worked like a charm before Rubicon: you pressed alt tab and had the menu with all your open programs and windows visible to choose from. Now, after Rubicon, the menu with your open programs is gone as soon as you leave the game and you have to press Alt tab repeatedly again to bring it back up and choose.

This must be changed. And changed only in the only way: Back to the pre-Rubicon state. Whatever you did to the game in that regard, it's useless and it doesn't make the game any easier or better playable.

It's already a good thing that the performance was increased recently, but this issue is way worse.

Does this also happen if you run with DX9?

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2013-11-29 14:56:34 UTC
Sorry for the lapse: this was tested and is experienced in the DX11 client.

I just switched over to the DX9 version and alt-tabbing works as I was used to it from before: the menu stays after pressing alt-tab and switching between clients is as pleasant as before. Smile Would be good if this was somehow achieved for DX11 as well.

UI Improvement Collective

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CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2013-11-29 15:03:40 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Sorry for the lapse: this was tested and is experienced in the DX11 client.

I just switched over to the DX9 version and alt-tabbing works as I was used to it from before: the menu stays after pressing alt-tab and switching between clients is as pleasant as before. Smile Would be good if this was somehow achieved for DX11 as well.

Thanks for the info - we'll investigate and see what we can do. This may be out of our control, though - can´t think of anything we're doing that would cause this to behave differently under DX11 compared to DX9.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2013-11-29 15:08:43 UTC
Fair enough.

What I also just noticed is that if I use the launcher to start the clients it works fine, but if I use the eveexe.exe from the bin folder, it still messes up the alt tabbing. I have another look shortly at it.

UI Improvement Collective

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