Science & Industry

This is true for about another week, then...nope. Half a dozen dudes in Interceptors will easily be able to make it into mining systems and into the anoms to **** before miners can respond, with the exception of extremely highly populated areas of null like Deklein where most of the time, intel channels will report the fleet before it can reach the mining systems.

Mining systems have always been vulnerable to afk cloakers as well.

So he died in Otela, a 0.5 system that is only four jumps out from Jita, when the only thing he fit was a laughable shield booster?

OP needs to figure out a better gameplan. I do both mining and industry and have never suffered a gank in highsec.

Then again, I generally mine well-away from any active hubs, and fit a tank, but hey, I've never been ganked.

Glad to hear it. Nothing says you can't mine as a semi-afk activity while doing PI or actually doing your spreadsheets. Just get a mackinaw and avoid being in 0.5 space on major pipes or in forge/citadel. One of my characters flies an Orca, so for awhile i did that because it wasn't much extra training time.

Let the other kids do your mining for you. As you said, manufacturing purely will give you more free time. If you want do some mining here and there then do so, free minerals to build more stuff.

As you mentioned it does also give you free time to try other things. Glad to hear you had a change of heart. Not sure why you expected to be able to mine enough to keep up with your manufacturing demands though... I know I never could.

I am impressed! Kudos on your new found adaptability OP, well done, well done indeed!

If you are not enjoying it, then don't do it, but if you are enjoying it, then don't let anybody stop you doing it!

If you are only mining to earn ISK, do investigate alternatives, as there are better ways.

Rule of thumb is:

- Anything eve has to offer intended to help trial players become harassment tools in the hands of veteran bored players intending to trash trial and new players experience;
- Anything eve has to offer intended to help new paid players become harassment tools in the hands of veteran bored players with empty character slots;
- Anything eve has to offer intended to help individuals and small corps become harassment tool in the hands of larger veteran alliances;

The sandbox concept is appropriate, in the sense that this game has no equalizing force from the system. Concord has the idea of that, but was nerfed from the start to be what it is today, just a small coeficient to be added to the ganking price formula. It is a sandbox in the sense that having no equalizer, a small group of players out to wreck a lot of other player experience has the means to do so.

When you really adapt to the way eve is, and that takes time and a bit of equally selfishness, you will see that the picture is not so bad as it seem, you just look at it hoping it is something else.

EVE is not a MMO you join to entertain yourself anymore. It is a place people come for the nice words on the ads and if they stay enough time to find out a place for them, in time, you really understand how the population work and adapt to it. That is why from more than 2 years, you dont really see changing in the number of people playing. The rise of online players and stuff is due to the facilitation of multiboxing and general multiple account gameplay even if one account at time, or docked alts to use once or twice a week. I myself know that in many occasions 7 people are responsible for 50 online accounts, and as observation in Amarr and Jita goes, there are A LOT of people doing that stuff.

From a long time now my time in TQ is just to run a few missions out of peak hour, out of crowded systems, doing some missions, helping friends and new players, and arranging my skill queue, because there is no reason to engage new or prolonged tasks in TQ because there is always a large number of people dedicated to try to ruin the game for someone else, and not for any ingame benefit or reason, but just to ruin the game for others as they cant get what they want from it.

The majority of my EVE time I spend in Singularity, and even if there were no seeded itens or anything different from TQ whatsoever regarding the gameplay and system, Singularity has an advantage that surpass from far any stability or consistent assets for people in small corps or non pvpers: There is no frustrated wannabe warriors there to bother you while you enjoy the things you like. And even if you like PVP, you can find much better quality solo or small gang pvp in singularity than in TQ.

CCP lose a lot of potential players and lost a lot of old players to much less enjoable games just because they have this notion that rendering the game in the hands of users will make everybody happy. Or they simply dont care aswell, which I still cant really believe. What I know is that the only ones really enjoying the game as a whole are the ones in alliances powerful enough to surpass all the trash that came to new eden these last years.

It is like usa cancelled tv shows, they start direct to a public, they start to change it to attract more public, soon they are out of context from the original idea, and producers get amazed that the original public start drifting away. The thing is that right now there is no real competitor to EVE in its niche, and that is what has keeping many people around despite the misgivings amassing, but that can change.

Hello. It doesn't sound like EVE is the game for you. You should take Tau's advice: If you don't like doing something, don't do it.

Also when you quit for the next "EVE Killer" that comes out, I will happily store your items in my hangar.

:) nice to hear.

However, casual players do fine in EVE. your initial problem was that you where close to jita in an untanked ship. slap some proper tank on it and move away from the forge! seriously get out of caldari space. over where i am (no i wont say where but it isnt hard to figure out) there are plenty of system that are basically empty. And should a ganker show up, well all my ships are tanked to hell so it is likely they will pick another target.

After all, it is what I do when ganking miners. Scan their fit, if it has a damage control and some midslot tank.. go look elsewhere unless reaaaalllyyyyy bored.

Or. ISK tank.. that is.. mine in the t1 ships and when they die just shrug it off as they pay themselves back so fast.

OP, if you don't understand what's happened, perhaps EveO isn't the game for you?

And no, I don't want yer stuffs. Just go.