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High Sec POCO stupidity.

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Darius JOHNSON
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-11-19 22:16:14 UTC
Something must be broken when I do PI I only get a 1% tax rate on our pocos
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2013-11-19 22:16:56 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
I don't get it. If you don't like their tax rate, just kill their POCO and put up your own. Problem solved.

How much is it per week to wardec us now?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-11-19 22:17:08 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
Vena Saris wrote:
We're only charging 5% geez.

lol, true, my rational is that that still sets it to Pre-rubicion levels (unless I am misunderstanding the Skill). Not many people liked high sec PI because it was harder to make a profit. by making a program like that, you could possibly draw in people that might otherwise stay in Low/Null Sec.

You showed us.
We just do things, we don't really think about it at all.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-11-19 22:17:37 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Torigoma wrote:

1: This would be true, if you where the Only people actually the Market. You may be "lowering" the competition, but in that case all you are doing is weeding out the Kittens and leaving the Lions.

2: As in protection, If a I've low taxes on a Planet, you better believe I'm protecting it. I've just as much invested there as you.

3: Again, look at the numbers. even at Low taxes, It only take about 2-3 days to reimburse a Office, after that, it's PURE PROFIT with no work.

4: Again, look above. If one system have low taxes, making more from Taxes than the High tax system, who do you think is going to be a bigger target? More so when there are more willing to defend the System?

highsec lions

now i've heard everything

ROFL, good one. Na, I'm speaking of the bigger alliances that are grabbing all the Offices in High Sec.
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-11-19 22:19:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Torigoma wrote:
Vena Saris wrote:
We're only charging 5% geez.

lol, true, my rational is that that still sets it to Pre-rubicion levels (unless I am misunderstanding the Skill). Not many people liked high sec PI because it was harder to make a profit. by making a program like that, you could possibly draw in people that might otherwise stay in Low/Null Sec.

You showed us.
We just do things, we don't really think about it at all.

Lol, She made a comment about something, I gave my rational behind what I said. If you took that the wrong way, that's your problem bud.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2013-11-19 22:20:30 UTC
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-11-19 22:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Torigoma
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are copping out of a massive opportunity.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2013-11-19 22:31:02 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


Well, I can answer that right now.

Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it.

There is no reason not to.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-11-19 22:32:37 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


They're not. You just lack a nuanced understanding of the game that would allow you to see that.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Darius JOHNSON
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2013-11-19 22:33:57 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


"copping". I'm sure they're coping just fine.
Na Und
Galactronics
#31 - 2013-11-19 22:34:30 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
That PI..."You didn't build that".


"If you like your CO, you can keep it."
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-11-19 22:36:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


Well, I can answer that right now.

Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it.

There is no reason not to.



Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-11-19 22:36:55 UTC
Darius JOHNSON wrote:
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


"copping". I'm sure they're coping just fine.

lol thanks, that word always gets me for some reason.
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-11-19 22:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who would have thought that people might do things in a video game for *gasp* FUN?

I'm not hating on you btw, the developers for not realizing how many POCOs would be a grief as much as an economic opportunity.

It's like that community event where everyone carebaear got slaughtered. How delusional were they to think that wasnt clearly goign to happen?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#35 - 2013-11-19 22:38:25 UTC
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


Well, I can answer that right now.

Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it.

There is no reason not to.



Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.


Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.

Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.

And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-11-19 22:40:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Torigoma wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.


Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.


Well, I can answer that right now.

Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it.

There is no reason not to.



Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.


Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.

Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.

And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.
Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.

CCP are like every other company it seems. They start off strong with a lot of fresh ideas, but eventually become the old man in the room. We need some new hip kids to lead them properly.
Professor Clio
Apocalypse Lancers
#37 - 2013-11-19 22:44:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Clio
You can do PI in any number of RvB owned system for a grand total of 10% tax once you trained the new tax skill which is exactly the same rate as the old NPC tax rate. Nothing changes for you, we just get to fund more explosions. Win-Win, right?

Edit: if you want to find us, we're in Josameto, Liekuri, Poinen, Otela and a few other systems all conveniently located within a few jumps of jita
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-11-19 22:44:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.

Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.

And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.

There's the thing, like I said, the Market Manipulation is not going to work, not how people think for several reasons.

1: PI Mostly comes from Low/Null/WH ANYWAY, High Sec is going to have little effect on the market as a whole.
2: By Cutting out the "Kittens" you leave nothing but Lions to contend with. If the market becomes far more difficult to control in any one's favor when all the contenders are big wigs.
3: By having high Taxes, you are encouraging people to use anything BUT yours. meaning you are loosing out for more work.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#39 - 2013-11-19 22:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.

I suppose it's fortunate then that some of the larger players are offering very reasonable rates in very convenient locations.

Perhaps you gave up PI a bit too soon. Blink

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Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-11-19 22:46:54 UTC
Professor Clio wrote:
You can do PI in any number of RvB owned system for a grand total of 10% tax once you trained the new tax skill which is exactly the same rate as the old NPC tax rate. Nothing changes for you, we just get to fund more explosions. Win-Win, right?

Edit: if you want to find us, we're in Josameto, Liekuri, Poinen, Otela and a few other systems all conveniently located within a few jumps of jita

RvB taxes I have no problem with (though like I've said before, a PI License would be a nice option), Its the 70-80% ones that get me.