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HiSec POCO's

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Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-11-19 17:13:24 UTC
Grats RvB for being so busy and fast around Jita! And 15% tax rate is very decent compared to Interbus or other alliances tax rates. Well played.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-19 17:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
15% tax rate?

Probably a temporary thing to fleece people that didn't empty their launchpads last night.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#3 - 2013-11-19 17:17:06 UTC
Is that 15%, then the concord tax on top, so 25%?

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Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-11-19 17:25:26 UTC
15% is the best tax rate so far for player POCO's, saw other pocos 10 jumps away with 29%... go figure.
Interbus have 17%, not sure if the concord tax is applied over that.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#5 - 2013-11-19 17:30:23 UTC
Well if my high sec alts take some, they will be at 7.5, so I'll deffo win that one. Rates have to be half sensible.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-19 18:03:48 UTC
Hrm... I do PI in high sec, but for some reason I became disinterested in the piddly amount of money you can make from it so I stopped updating it.

Really, its a waste of time unless you make less than 100 million a month.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#7 - 2013-11-19 18:57:46 UTC
Wow, just seen the KB stats for interbus losses...
POCOs are going down fast.

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Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#8 - 2013-11-19 18:59:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaia Ma'chello
Pre expansion the tax was 10%

Interbus tax is now 17%, but that can be cut in half with the new skill.

If a player corp takes a CO, the NPC tax drops to 10%. Again that can be cut in half with the new skill. On top of that is the player set tax. So say that is set to 15%. The total tax would be 25% with no skill, 20% with max skill.

That is twice the tax we had pre-expansion.

Note: Its not quite this bad. The cost basis for the tax was dropped some 15% to 20%.

Edit: This means if you want to be competitive to Interbus, you need to set a tax rate of less than 3.5% (for someone with maxed out skill).
Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#9 - 2013-11-19 19:00:19 UTC
If you're doing PI in high sec, then you're doing it wrong to being with.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#10 - 2013-11-19 19:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Just for fun, heres the numbers by region:
Total of 451.

Region Kills
The Forge 85
Domain 58
Metropolis 47
Lonetrek 41
Kador 31
Kor-Azor 27
Sinq Laison 24
Tash-Murkon 23
Devoid 23
The Citadel 17
Heimatar 15
Verge Vendor 14
Essence 14
Derelik 6
Khanid 6
Everyshore 6
Genesis 4
Molden Heath 3
Solitude 3
Placid 2
The Bleak Lands 1
Black Rise 1

EDIT:
Oh and he top 10 systems:
System Kills
Chesiette 11
Chanoun 11
Josameto 10
Maurasi 10
Obanen 9
Aldrat 9
Poinen 8
Yarebap 7
Stetille 7
Huttaken 6

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2013-11-19 19:19:18 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Note: Its not quite this bad. The cost basis for the tax was dropped some 15% to 20%.

Edit: This means if you want to be competitive to Interbus, you need to set a tax rate of less than 3.5% (for someone with maxed out skill).

…and for the “this will spell doom to highsec” people out there, the combination of taxes, skills and rates means that a POCO can conceivably be set up for 7% player tax and still end up with the roughly same cost as before.

Sure, finding an Interbus CO would be cheaper, but is the planet combo you're after available from them…?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2013-11-19 19:29:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
Note: Its not quite this bad. The cost basis for the tax was dropped some 15% to 20%.

Edit: This means if you want to be competitive to Interbus, you need to set a tax rate of less than 3.5% (for someone with maxed out skill).

…and for the “this will spell doom to highsec” people out there, the combination of taxes, skills and rates means that a POCO can conceivably be set up for 7% player tax and still end up with the roughly same cost as before.

Sure, finding an Interbus CO would be cheaper, but is the planet combo you're after available from them…?
Alternatively they could slap the tax up to like 50%, and crush high sec PI making my null PI worth considerably more. Yes please.

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Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
#13 - 2013-11-19 19:31:49 UTC
About how long would it take 2 battleships to take down a POCO?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#14 - 2013-11-19 19:34:05 UTC
Artimis Scout wrote:
About how long would it take 2 battleships to take down a POCO?

Depends on their fit. Probably 2-3 hours though. If it's player owned though, there's a reinforcement timer.

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Qweasdy
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-11-19 19:36:49 UTC
Artimis Scout wrote:
About how long would it take 2 battleships to take down a POCO?


Go try it... there's no reason to ask that on the forums...

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2013-11-19 19:38:06 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Alternatively they could slap the tax up to like 50%, and crush high sec PI making my null PI worth considerably more. Yes please.

Yes please, indeed, except that the continuing capital investment and the poor returns it will generate will probably come out as a worse deal than just taking the 7% from now to eternity.

If someone else sponsored and replaced all those POCOs, though, then sure.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-19 19:50:58 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Hrm... I do PI in high sec, but for some reason I became disinterested in the piddly amount of money you can make from it so I stopped updating it.

Really, its a waste of time unless you make less than 100 million a month.


Your signature says "Official grumpy cat of General Discussion". I don't remember you being elected or appointed?

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Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#18 - 2013-11-19 20:03:38 UTC
Our no standings/neutral rate is 5%. Then we advise folks to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC level down to 5%, resulting in a 10% total from RvB POCOs.

On the other hand, upset me and you get anything from 17% base to 50% ;)
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-11-19 20:23:59 UTC
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
If you're doing PI in high sec, then you're doing it wrong to being with.

Nope. Only if your doing extraction or P1. But if you do it around a trade hub .. and you know what your doing, then it's a complete different story.
Artimis Scout
Wormhole Cartography
#20 - 2013-11-19 20:27:00 UTC
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Our no standings/neutral rate is 5%. Then we advise folks to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC level down to 5%, resulting in a 10% total from RvB POCOs.

On the other hand, upset me and you get anything from 17% base to 50% ;)


I for one welcome our RvB overlords.
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