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CERBERUS sucks again after Rubicon....
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Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-19 15:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Trix
Trained months for this ship and now CCP has removed

Light missile ROF bonus on this ship. 25% ROF total loss.

Why? I understand you screwed the RLML completely, but why change the Cerb for just plain old Lights.

You waste players time with these changes...really!


This ship is back to worthless again...

Truly, you need to stop changing the sandbox here for some completely worthless Null war complaint.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-19 15:07:56 UTC
HMLs and HAMs work fine in PVE, they just require rigs.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Andrea Keuvo
Rusty Pricks
#3 - 2013-11-19 15:38:25 UTC
Glad I never got around to training Cerb. Unfortunately I did train T2 lights.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-11-19 16:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Niena Nuamzzar
Andrea Keuvo wrote:
Glad I never got around to training Cerb. Unfortunately I did train T2 lights.

Stop being so negative, HAM Cerb is still an excellent ship. Just fit two Federation webs, one TP, two T2 Rigors and off you go!
Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-19 17:08:21 UTC
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Andrea Keuvo wrote:
Glad I never got around to training Cerb. Unfortunately I did train T2 lights.

Stop being so negative, HAM Cerb is still an excellent ship. Just fit two Federation webs, one TP, two T2 Rigors and off you go!


I did fit mine with HAMS and it is very poor in comparison, truly.

The TANK Suffers.
The Damage is FAR less as well.
The RANGE is much worse.

I am speaking from a Mission Runner point of view though.

Now I am using HML with rigs and TP... seems to work, but I am training out of Missiles now due to this destruction by CCP ...
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-11-19 17:24:36 UTC
Changes like this hurt lower SP pilots more than older pilots. If CCP nerfs a ship to a point where it sucks I'll just fly something else. Sure if it's my favorite ship I won't be happy but I'll adapt. Newer pilots that are more specialized don't always have this luxury.
Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-19 17:29:44 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Changes like this hurt lower SP pilots more than older pilots. If CCP nerfs a ship to a point where it sucks I'll just fly something else. Sure if it's my favorite ship I won't be happy but I'll adapt. Newer pilots that are more specialized don't always have this luxury.



Exactly,,,, this character is just old enough (4 months) to fly this ship well for PVE... I know Vet players can move easily to other ships. It really pains when you're new ... that is for sure!...... but... still looking forward to the Mobile Looter... that seems like a blessing, if it's not overpriced.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-11-19 17:47:04 UTC
Kara Trix wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Changes like this hurt lower SP pilots more than older pilots. If CCP nerfs a ship to a point where it sucks I'll just fly something else. Sure if it's my favorite ship I won't be happy but I'll adapt. Newer pilots that are more specialized don't always have this luxury.



Exactly,,,, this character is just old enough (4 months) to fly this ship well for PVE... I know Vet players can move easily to other ships. It really pains when you're new ... that is for sure!...... but... still looking forward to the Mobile Looter... that seems like a blessing, if it's not overpriced.


How is the RLML nerf an issue for rookie PVE ? Is it just that they were so easy to fit? Or were you using them to blitz frig-heavy missions?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-19 17:53:29 UTC
Batelle wrote:

How is the RLML nerf an issue for rookie PVE ? Is it just that they were so easy to fit? Or were you using them to blitz frig-heavy missions?


I have two characters most of the time to do missions.

RAVEN Pilot (Cruise Missiles) for big ships
CERBERUS Pilot (RLML - at least use to) for small frigs.

It was a perfect setup due to the tank the CERB has in missioning and the RLML would give me 400 DPS which was REAL damage too on the frigs and Cruisers.

The Looter was going to make the setup amazing, but now the CERB pilots DPS is down to 240DPS with Lights or 400 with HL, but HL don't hit nearly as well as the lights do for actual damage.

i guess I don't know the whole picture on why this total NERF took place... it was a big hit to my game, but maybe it is helping others.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#10 - 2013-11-19 18:02:29 UTC
It's not "worthless" It still is pretty good with HAMs, just need to be REALLY creative haha
Ginger Barbarella
#11 - 2013-11-19 18:58:16 UTC
Andrea Keuvo wrote:
Glad I never got around to training Cerb. Unfortunately I did train T2 lights.


Go to the Flycatcher. I haven't checked yet, but I may have to dust off my Flycatcher. And yeah, the RLM Cerb & RLM Navy Caracal are back to crap. It was good while it lasted.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-11-19 19:16:49 UTC
Kara Trix wrote:

I did fit mine with HAMS and it is very poor in comparison, truly.

The TANK Suffers.
The Damage is FAR less as well.
The RANGE is much worse.

I am speaking from a Mission Runner point of view though.

Now I am using HML with rigs and TP... seems to work, but I am training out of Missiles now due to this destruction by CCP ...

Have you tried it with light launchers instead? My pvp LML Cerb has 308dps with Scourge Precision and 412dps with Scourge Fury missiles:

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II (x3)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large Shield Extender II

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Light Missile (x6)

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Warrior II (x3)
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#13 - 2013-11-19 21:19:59 UTC
Wait really?

Stealth nerf. Nice.
Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-11-19 21:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Trix
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Kara Trix wrote:

I did fit mine with HAMS and it is very poor in comparison, truly.

The TANK Suffers.
The Damage is FAR less as well.
The RANGE is much worse.

I am speaking from a Mission Runner point of view though.

Now I am using HML with rigs and TP... seems to work, but I am training out of Missiles now due to this destruction by CCP ...

Have you tried it with light launchers instead? My pvp LML Cerb has 308dps with Scourge Precision and 412dps with Scourge Fury missiles:

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II (x3)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large Shield Extender II

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Light Missile (x6)

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Warrior II (x3)



Well not counting any drones.

I have
4 x BC on the lows (so full Damage)
6 x LML II with Fury Scourge Lights

I get 240 DPS (not perfect skills, but most to 4)

The new EFT fitting tool update is WRONG. and hasn't adjusted for the NERF yet.

it shows my character should have 283 DPS with my skills and the exact fit as above.
It also shows maxed V skills that fit should have 338 ... again wrong.

The missing link is the ROF for Lights.... i'm still sad, and I was hoping I was wrong....

Read the new description on the Cerb.... it's all there.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-19 21:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Batelle wrote:
Kara Trix wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Changes like this hurt lower SP pilots more than older pilots. If CCP nerfs a ship to a point where it sucks I'll just fly something else. Sure if it's my favorite ship I won't be happy but I'll adapt. Newer pilots that are more specialized don't always have this luxury.



Exactly,,,, this character is just old enough (4 months) to fly this ship well for PVE... I know Vet players can move easily to other ships. It really pains when you're new ... that is for sure!...... but... still looking forward to the Mobile Looter... that seems like a blessing, if it's not overpriced.


How is the RLML nerf an issue for rookie PVE ? Is it just that they were so easy to fit? Or were you using them to blitz frig-heavy missions?


I wasn't specifically referring to this nerf but more in general. For example if missiles get nerfed I'll just fly another race with guns or drones. A new pilot that only has shield, missile and Caldari spaceship skills doesn't have this option.

If you want to be specific about this module it is used by a lot of low skilled pilots for level 2 missions.

Wait why is the OP flying a HAC with RLML? For some reason I was thinking he was doing level 2 missions in a Caracal. I need to re read the OP... I'm on a phone so I occasionally skip through posts because of how the browser is.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-11-19 21:58:51 UTC
Okay re read the post.... I must've been out if it lol


To OP...

What are you doing with this ship? Level 2 missions?

Why are you fitting LML on a HAC? This is a frigate size weapon and most cruiser size ships don't give bonuses to frigate weapons.

I got it after the RLML nerf they're going to suck so idk what the alternative would be for light missiles. I'm guessing this change was to stop people from trying to work around the RLML nerf.
Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-19 22:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Trix
IIshira wrote:
Okay re read the post.... I must've been out if it lol


To OP...

What are you doing with this ship? Level 2 missions?

Why are you fitting LML on a HAC? This is a frigate size weapon and most cruiser size ships don't give bonuses to frigate weapons.

I got it after the RLML nerf they're going to suck so idk what the alternative would be for light missiles. I'm guessing this change was to stop people from trying to work around the RLML nerf.



When you start EVE you look at the options and skill your toon.
Cerberus seemed like the best choice for the use of this character (PVE Frigate killer).
It use to have the Amazing powers with RLML and then I was hoping it would still keep the ROF general Missile bonus to the HAC skill, but they made that more specific to adjust for the ships EXACT use now (nothing).

I do LVL 4 missions for SOE pretty much.. along with my Raven Pilot
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-11-19 22:10:08 UTC
Using a HAC for missions? What?

much sad.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Kara Trix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-11-19 22:34:01 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Using a HAC for missions? What?

much sad.



Don't be sad Mr. Tarrant

It's my little Sandbox.... and CCP just moved my toys a little, that's all...

PS... When you pretty much only PVE, you use ALL ships - some better than others I suppose....
I once had a Hawk pilot that I would Lvl 4 mission in as well.. it was REALLY fun for about two hours (same mission).
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-11-19 23:04:14 UTC
Kara Trix wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Okay re read the post.... I must've been out if it lol


To OP...

What are you doing with this ship? Level 2 missions?

Why are you fitting LML on a HAC? This is a frigate size weapon and most cruiser size ships don't give bonuses to frigate weapons.

I got it after the RLML nerf they're going to suck so idk what the alternative would be for light missiles. I'm guessing this change was to stop people from trying to work around the RLML nerf.



When you start EVE you look at the options and skill your toon.
Cerberus seemed like the best choice for the use of this character (PVE Frigate killer).
It use to have the Amazing powers with RLML and then I was hoping it would still keep the ROF general Missile bonus to the HAC skill, but they made that more specific to adjust for the ships EXACT use now (nothing).

I do LVL 4 missions for SOE pretty much.. along with my Raven Pilot


Level 4's with a LM fitted HAC? I got it you want something to kill the frigates but that just seems like a waste to kill a few frigates in a level 4 that's mostly larger ships. You would be better off with a turret battleship that can pop them at range.

Of course it's your sandbox so there's no rule against it.
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