EVE General Discussion

I think you should play a game called EVE and not EFT.

Price: 500 million or even a billion is not that much if you consider that you never loose it. In a sense, when you are not at any risk, it's free. A free pass for null sec... think about that. It's great. I can use my expensive low cargo hold hauler all I like and than just sell it were I so inclined. There's no risk... but why sell it? I have a stack of these invincible ships. THey pay for themselves many times over in the lack of losses...

1 second lock: Bullshi7. Once locked the Broadsword or whatever will take another sec at least to apply the warp disrupt... but you don't even need to think about that. There's usually lag to contend with. W/ one second of lag or even a fraction of a second you will never even get the lock. It's warp to and hotkey on top of each other... by the time a decloak registers on your end the server already has me cloaked.

I think any ship jumping within 14 ly of a bubble should be dragged into it as this method of transport is unbalanced and game breaking to whiners who like to sit 300km off bubbles with their thumbs up their butts.

No. With lag the way it works is hits warp to and hits cloak immediately thereafter. Lag or not, those commands are given within a fixed amount of time... say half a second. The server receives those commands and executes them with that same temporal spacing. So lets get crazy and say my end is really bad and I have 5 seconds of lag, as the T3 pilot, for arguments sake. From the point of view of the server, I may hang out cloaked on the other side of the gate for an extra 5 seconds, but when it finally receives my commands they are still spaced out .5 seconds. So I immediately cloak. Now it doesn't matter to me, because regardless of the lag on my side, I only decloaked for .5 seconds. Now from the attackers client, it may take an extra .5 seconds to see me decloak at all due to lag, so even if they are johnny on the spot about hitting target, and even if they have some magical insta lock, that .5 seconds gave me the time to cloak from the servers perspective, so when the server sees that command to target I'm already cloaked. By this you see, for the purposes of the cloaky nullified t3 bouncing out on gate camps, lag is always on your side.

Follow?

Somehow the op reminds me of this:

op being butthurt

unkillable my arse

"please make it near impossible to tackle supercapitals"

It's interesting how many people respond to this with comments like "lololol learn to fly" and it kinda urges me to give me 2 cents.

This whole discussion has a lot of parallels with other discussions about balancing issiues and as usual the same effect shows:

If someone is effective or good at something he will always think it's because of his immense skill and abilities.
People who were flying 12 km/s curses back in the nanodays were convinced the nly reason they were so effective was because they were extremely good pilots. Every complaint about nanos being overpowered would just result in "learn to fly lolol" comments.

Fast forward a bit and you will find the very same arguments for the supercaps. People in general just tend to do that and it's not eve related. No one who aces a test will ever admit that he was just lucky as **** etc.

Anyways with the t3s we get the same arguments and defenses as with those other examples i mentioned. The op presents a case for a ship that can cloak, avoid bubbles and align as fast as a helios (rolleyes) to be nigh impossible to catch and i must admit that i agree with the op.

the cloaky nullified t3 was the single most stupid thing ccp ever did for the following reasons:

- It was an extreme buff to botting. Before t3s you could catch botters if you put effort into it by putting up bubbles or logging off in their anomaly + timing their rewarp or relog. This is now impossible because t3s ignore bubbles. remember how botting suddenly became a big ******* problem once the nullified tengu was out there?

- The ability to avoid bubbles or to warp cloaked or to align in 3 seconds are all very useful by themselves. What makes cloaky nullified t3s a problem is that they can do ALL of the above. There is no tradeoff in a senso of "i can ignore bubbles but that makes me align slow" etc. History in eve has shown that if a ship is too good at a specialized role there is a good chance of a balancing issue

- The risk-versus-reward tradeoff is completely obsolete when it comes to t3-nullies. Ratting or missioning in lowsec/nullsec should be more risky and hence more rewarding than doing it in highsec. With t3s this is not true. A cloaky nullified t3 can still easily tank and blitz many lev 4 missions with close to no risk of being caught. While you may still be able to catch a t3 on a gate with extreme effort and luck it is not nigh but impossible to catch one on a station. I'm sure this will earn me a lot of "lololol learn to eve" comments but i don't care cause it's true.

- They don't sacrifice any multiplier role for their ability to escape/evade everything. A cloaky nullified ship does not sacrifice ability to probe, it does not lose any ability to tank rats and it does not lose any ability to boost their gang. And if you think sacrificing dps is the only thing that counts then you are a ******. Fights are almost never decided by the dps ships.


Just t conclude my wall of text: linking killmails doesnt prove or disprove anything. With any ship you will have retards disconnects or sheer luck. It's not like no vaga ever dies during the nanoage

Chris
Terrible at eve

sounds powerfull. compleatly understand that people want to talk about it. also understand the people that use it and want to drown this thread in a sea of ****.

I think you should try fitting something else than Assault Launchers on your Tengu, also BCU's are better than WCS.