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Wormhole vs Nullsec

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Kiokan Voluva
Aurelian Industries
#1 - 2013-11-18 16:25:21 UTC
Hey there

I know this is only half on topic, but i hope you will help me anyway :)
Im at a crossroad in my eve life, should i move to a wormhole or to Nullsec. I want to do a lot of different things, among some of main interests are Exploration, POS, industry snd mining (also want to do some PvE/PvP, but i understand that these are abundant in both places, at least compared to how much of it i want :)

Now to the core of my post, what is in your opinion the advantages/disadvantages of Wormhole space compared to nullsec?
Now i dont want this to turn into a forum war between Wormhole residents and nullsec residents, just want your honest opinion, especially if you have spent time in both W-space and Nullsec.
Thanks in advance for the help :)

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#2 - 2013-11-18 17:39:20 UTC
Wormhole life takes more scanning and logistics but you aren't going to get hot-dropped by a 70 man fleet.

Not today spaghetti.

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-11-18 17:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Axloth Okiah
living in WH gives you access to all regions of eve
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2013-11-18 17:46:49 UTC
if you want to mine or do industry, go to null. Null also has some pretty good exploration (WH exploration is different). WH space is not a good place to research expensive blueprints. It is possible to run reactions in WH space (in K-space you need a JF), but I don't know how good of an idea this is. Its possible to do invention in WH but there isn't much reason to. Both places are excellent for PI.

Getting your own pos in sov-null can be hard to do unless some alliance accepts your alt-corp.

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Endo Scrote
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#5 - 2013-11-18 18:40:44 UTC
I have lived in both wormholes win hands down
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#6 - 2013-11-18 18:47:38 UTC
In wh you can live on your own. In nullsec you can live as a part of very large block.

From my experience life in null takes a lt of moving and without capital a lot of begging to get your ships jumped.

In wh youll have to scan a lot before actually starting to do anything.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-18 21:07:28 UTC
industry and mining belongs in nullsec.
it's way safer and more profitable to do there, you also wont get crap from the rest of the community for doing it.

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Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#8 - 2013-11-19 02:25:17 UTC
What about NPC nullsec? Is it possible to do a bit of soloing and exploration out there?
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#9 - 2013-11-19 04:18:26 UTC
Riel Saigo wrote:
What about NPC nullsec? Is it possible to do a bit of soloing and exploration out there?


It works, just have to manage to live far away from station systems. With the new mobile structure allowing T3 refit; nullsec ded/exploration running will get much easier.

a talented multiboxer with a black ops bs, 3 reffitable t3's & a dst can run wild in NPC null doing every site. With that setup however; you will make way more consistently in C4 wh space.
Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#10 - 2013-11-19 06:16:23 UTC
I have lived in nullsec for 2-3 months (drone regions) now I have lived in C4 about half a year and I honestly like wh's, less hugeass **** fleets, more like spec ops stuff (1-6 man gangs) But wh's take alot more effort to live in while you are perfectly safe in null station in wh all yojr belongings are inside fragile 40 mil hp shield Big smile Null is good for industry but whs are good for mastering your own life. I used to rat with carrier in null i made about 500 mil weekly but in whs money can get bit scarce if you dont get good sites + connextions back to k-space.


I loved null, now i love whs Smile


Aakkonen

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-11-19 06:16:25 UTC
Wormholes hands down. Join a wormhole crew, and you have access to all the null-sec you want, multiple regions, multiple low-secs, high secs once per day.

Problem is, for a good wormhole crew to take you, you need at a minimum:

1) a capital ship
2) few t3s
3) one-two alts (probing, etc).

Thats an investment of 4-5 bil, up-front. You also need skills and experience.

You also need to realize, nobody is going to hold your hand in a wormhole. You join, you do your own thing. Want money? Go scan down the chain and find some, then go run the sites. Want PvP? Go scan down the chain, or jump into null-sec.

Sure theres corp events, but wormholes is a lot more individual. If you arent prepared to actively do stuff on your own, you will just spin in a POS all day.

PvP is also a lot more technical in wormholes, if you make mistake it costs you a billion-isk ship, minimum. No safety net of local, you can, and will, get jumped, it happens a LOT more then you would think. I know I gank a few ships per day on average in wormholes, and a lot more when a good null-sec exit is found. If you plant a POS by yourself, i guarantee you it will get evicted in a few days, you will have to defend it or pack it up. When our crew sees POSes of small corps, we just go siege them, just because we can. So realistically, you wont live long in a POS by yourself.

To sum it up, if you are asking whether to go to wormholes or null-sec, you arent ready for wormholes.
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#12 - 2013-11-19 06:27:14 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Wormhole life takes more scanning and logistics but you aren't going to get hot-dropped by a 70 man fleet.


In 00sec you arent going to either. This only happens in lowsec.
Ive been roaming sov 00 since one and a half year and I got dropped by an Archon just once in russian space.

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Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#13 - 2013-11-19 08:18:53 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Wormholes hands down. Join a wormhole crew, and you have access to all the null-sec you want, multiple regions, multiple low-secs, high secs once per day.

Problem is, for a good wormhole crew to take you, you need at a minimum:

1) a capital ship
2) few t3s
3) one-two alts (probing, etc).

Thats an investment of 4-5 bil, up-front. You also need skills and experience.

You also need to realize, nobody is going to hold your hand in a wormhole. You join, you do your own thing. Want money? Go scan down the chain and find some, then go run the sites. Want PvP? Go scan down the chain, or jump into null-sec.

Sure theres corp events, but wormholes is a lot more individual. If you arent prepared to actively do stuff on your own, you will just spin in a POS all day.

PvP is also a lot more technical in wormholes, if you make mistake it costs you a billion-isk ship, minimum. No safety net of local, you can, and will, get jumped, it happens a LOT more then you would think. I know I gank a few ships per day on average in wormholes, and a lot more when a good null-sec exit is found. If you plant a POS by yourself, i guarantee you it will get evicted in a few days, you will have to defend it or pack it up. When our crew sees POSes of small corps, we just go siege them, just because we can. So realistically, you wont live long in a POS by yourself.



To sum it up, if you are asking whether to go to wormholes or null-sec, you arent ready for wormholes.




Hmm tbh if you want to get good crew you only need probing skills and bc. This guy seems to bit elitist living in his c6 fortress but there are good crews in lower class holes. Dont let her to scare ya off, whs are good place to live, if you wanna try, get a small/ med poss and try out in c1 holes, good training grounds. Or join existing c2-4 corp.

Aakkonen

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7

Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#14 - 2013-11-19 10:47:50 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Wormholes hands down. Join a wormhole crew, and you have access to all the null-sec you want, multiple regions, multiple low-secs, high secs once per day.

Problem is, for a good wormhole crew to take you, you need at a minimum:

1) a capital ship
2) few t3s
3) one-two alts (probing, etc).

Thats an investment of 4-5 bil, up-front. You also need skills and experience.



Are you on crack? A capital ship or t3's are NOT the minimum to get involved in J-Space.


Aakkonen
Yoyodyne Industries
#15 - 2013-11-19 14:03:36 UTC
Caius Beriat wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Wormholes hands down. Join a wormhole crew, and you have access to all the null-sec you want, multiple regions, multiple low-secs, high secs once per day.

Problem is, for a good wormhole crew to take you, you need at a minimum:

1) a capital ship
2) few t3s
3) one-two alts (probing, etc).

Thats an investment of 4-5 bil, up-front. You also need skills and experience.



Are you on crack? A capital ship or t3's are NOT the minimum to get involved in J-Space.




For his group it seems (High end elitists) if you live in C5-6 Caps are must but seriously if everyone has to fly caps I think you have very little member base.. not very many train for caps ever.

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7

bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-11-19 14:40:45 UTC
Aakkonen wrote:
Caius Beriat wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Wormholes hands down. Join a wormhole crew, and you have access to all the null-sec you want, multiple regions, multiple low-secs, high secs once per day.

Problem is, for a good wormhole crew to take you, you need at a minimum:

1) a capital ship
2) few t3s
3) one-two alts (probing, etc).

Thats an investment of 4-5 bil, up-front. You also need skills and experience.



Are you on crack? A capital ship or t3's are NOT the minimum to get involved in J-Space.




For his group it seems (High end elitists) if you live in C5-6 Caps are must but seriously if everyone has to fly caps I think you have very little member base.. not very many train for caps ever.


T3 cruiser don't take much time to train for, logi is a bit longer, but after that most people train for them. Or have an alt train for them.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#17 - 2013-11-19 14:43:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Hurt
Depends on what you enjoy, really; W-Space has a lot of tedious politics that you're forced to get into, whereas nullsec is mostly good 'ol pew-pew without the need for vast oceans of blues. Something about wormholes tends to breed dictatorial personalities, you get a lot of people with delusions of grandeur and personality disorders. Most wormholers are there for the farming (people call them "holebears" for a reason), and do their best to avoid pvp. Nullseccers, on the other hand, will gladly engage in any fight that they think they have even a small chance of winning.

Wormholes also lack the presence of Supercapitals, a ship type that has done more to improve the PvP in this game than any other game mechanic to date. Luckily they see extensive use in Nullsec and Lowsec.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-11-19 14:47:35 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Depends on what you enjoy, really; W-Space has a lot of tedious politics that you're forced to get into, whereas nullsec is mostly good 'ol pew-pew without the need for vast oceans of blues. Something about wormholes tends to breed dictatorial personalities, you get a lot of people with delusions of grandeur and personality disorders. Most wormholers are there for the farming (people call them "holebears" for a reason), and do their best to avoid pvp. Nullseccers, on the other hand, will gladly engage in any fight that they think they have even a small chance of winning.

Wormholes also lack the presence of Supercapitals, a ship type that has done more to improve the PvP in this game than any other game mechanic to date. Luckily they see extensive use in Nullsec and Lowsec.



Not sure if troll................
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2013-11-19 14:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Adoris Nolen wrote:
Riel Saigo wrote:
What about NPC nullsec? Is it possible to do a bit of soloing and exploration out there?


It works, just have to manage to live far away from station systems. With the new mobile structure allowing T3 refit; nullsec ded/exploration running will get much easier.

a talented multiboxer with a black ops bs, 3 reffitable t3's & a dst can run wild in NPC null doing every site. With that setup however; you will make way more consistently in C4 wh space.


or you could use one nullified t3 and two Sins. Why the hell do you need 3 t3's AND a blops??

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Kiokan Voluva
Aurelian Industries
#20 - 2013-11-19 16:51:43 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Depends on what you enjoy, really; W-Space has a lot of tedious politics that you're forced to get into, whereas nullsec is mostly good 'ol pew-pew without the need for vast oceans of blues. Something about wormholes tends to breed dictatorial personalities, you get a lot of people with delusions of grandeur and personality disorders. Most wormholers are there for the farming (people call them "holebears" for a reason), and do their best to avoid pvp. Nullseccers, on the other hand, will gladly engage in any fight that they think they have even a small chance of winning.

Wormholes also lack the presence of Supercapitals, a ship type that has done more to improve the PvP in this game than any other game mechanic to date. Luckily they see extensive use in Nullsec and Lowsec.




That is the complete opposite of everything i have ever heard or read... but if thats your experience, then fair enough...
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