Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And oops to the ham explosion velocity speed, I mad a typo and it should have been 145m/s and not 125m/s.

I apologize!

And about light missiles being op, my light missle launcher frigates and destroyers all disagree with that and some of them aren't even Caldari.

But despite the whole launcher discussion, I will say it again until it sticks:

All missiles tracking needs to go to the 'beyond'.

The reason it was introduced in zee first place was because the Band of Develop- erm BoB said all missiles are unbeatable and must be nerfed hard.

You don't believe me?

Read all about it in the old forums and a very very long discussion about just this topic.

I think changing heavies and light to heavy assaults and rockets is still the best option, but I also think having a cruiser hull use a frigate hull weapon system and same with BS using cruiser weapon system isn't going to work in anyway at all. The explosion issues will always be there against fighting ships of the same hull size, and that can't be fixed by giving them a smaller weapon system. CCP has to come up with a replacement weapon system for them, or specialized missiles for those launchers only. A launcher that is made to use a new type of missile that is specialized for against smaller targets, but will still be affected by larger hulls also. Something that would be good against smaller ships, and just ok against same size ships and bigger. Everything with rockets and HAMs would fix all the OP issues with rapids BUT explosion radius and explosion velocity, even on those they just aren't enough to not still be good against ships of the same size. The issues with RMLs does go to the launchers, as Rapid light missile launchers RofF is 10s, and Light missile launchers RofF is 12s, that is another reason RMLs are OP. And even if you have specialized light missiles, the launchers RofF would need to be increased no matter what. As i gives RMLs only 1.2secs below the RofF of HAMs, which in itself is crazy to give. So again I was right and again I proved what you were saying wrong. Thanks for the pic though, it made me smile and think of you. I love how you have to argue with anyone, on every forum. Nothing like tough guys through a computer haha.

Only thing I can think of is making specialized missiles for rapids, something with the range of Rockets and HAMs, but with an explosion radius and explosion velocity that is between frigate size missiles and cruiser size missiles, and a decrease in RofF, to make it not the best choose to use against the same hull size ships or larger, but still good against smaller ships. I don't see any other way to fix them. But before this patch RMLs were as good and in some ways better then HAMs and much better then HMLs, making them very OP. After the patch with 40secs reload they will sadly be worthless. But as HAMs need a slight explosion fix, HMLs need fixed, defenders and FoF need a full overhaul, hopefully rapids will get looked at again when

lol?

LMLs in a Kestrel have too much range so we should nerf RLML in a Cerberus?

You make as much sense as CCP RIse.

No RLMs need nerfed because they are OP right now, they can rock cruiser size ships just as easily as HAMs and much better then HMLs, and kill smaller targets just as easy, which HAMs and HMLs can't. Go back and read some and you will see why RMLs are OP and are being nerfed. Now getting a 40secs reload time isn't a nerf, it will kill rapids, so I hope when CCP looks at missiles again they look to find a REAL way to fix them, instead of the fast way.

Sorry if this has already been discussed but as a potential feature/workaround to the long reload vs switching damage types why don't we just have a variable reload time?

You could give the new rapid launchers the same 'base' reload time as other launchers (10 seconds) and then just have an additional reload time on a per missile basis eg;

reload time = 10 + ((30 / magazine size) * used ammo))

RLML reloading with a full magazine takes 10 seconds to reload (10 + ((30 / 18) * 0)
RLML reloading with an empty magazine tokes 40 seconds to reload (10 + ((30 / 18) * 18)

RLML reloading with 10 charges in the magazine takes 23.33 seconds (10 + ((30 / 18) * 8)

This would give pilots the flexibility to change ammo mid fight without too much heartache while also allowing skilled pilots to perform 'tactical' reloads during breaks in the fighting, lending these modules to more maneuverable fights. Conversely tactics could be used against RLML users to make them waste missiles making changing ammo more painful.

LOL wut? "Missile tracking" was introduced because people were one-shotting frigs with cruise missiles & torps. Not to mention that Kestrels could fit them (seriously). Missiles were broken as @#%! back then, and anybody but the noobiest rawr-rawr f-tard knew that they needed a fix. It wasn't "teh ebil BoB", it was sensible people who wanted them nerfed. Hell even after the first version which factored speed more heavily than sig, you could still pop a Rifter with one HML volley from a Caracal if you caught them on a turn-around (I did it repeatedly as a 2-month scrub). Further corrections were later made (Need4Speed) so that sig radius is the primary factor, which gave smaller ships a much better survival rate. But please don't let silly things like facts mess up your conspiracy theories and misconceptions of the the "golden years of EvE".

Yep, rigor, rigor and rigor (in that order).

Let me take a moment to explain. While I have already been taught (both by others and by my extensive use of HAMs) that configuring for minimal explosion radius is more useful (and more effective) than configuring for maximum explosion velocity, I was never aware that the damage calculations themselves actually prioritize the one over the other. It's interesting to see that all my experimentation was in fact correct, and why.

Still, I'm always interested in learning new things I didn't know before. I will, of course, investigate this matter further.

Tell that to a heavy missile fitted Cerberus.

She says a tech I heavy missle has an explosion radius of 89m with no rigs or implants.

At this point CCP posted it on the forum for us to know and test it out. the complaining comes after the trials. but i do understand the concerns