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Gorski Car Likes received: 731	#41 - 2013-11-17 15:33:52 UTC get a afk farm alt Collect this post

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Baali Tekitsu AQUILA INC Likes received: 929	#42 - 2013-11-17 16:03:05 UTC 1 Gorski Car wrote: Hg pirate set, links, high bc rank, only pvps in high sec. Thats the spirit linked condor with falcon alt all day erry day RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE

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Cpt Arareb Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 65	#43 - 2013-11-17 22:44:12 UTC 1 I normally not respect any called pvp pilot that have only kills with 200 or more fleetmates, not sure that answers the question

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#44 - 2013-11-18 01:55:31 UTC

For me what is a good pvper - someone that wins.

Fights aren't about honor or fairness. Nor are they about 1v1, 1v2, T1 frig v dessie, etc., they are about going up against one or more opponents with 0 or more friends and beating the crap out of the opposition, using all of the skill and advantage that can be brought to bear.

I'm a pretty crap pvper. For the most part I solo with no links or scouts or any backup. That's hardly the way to stack the odds in my favour and my killboard demonstrates the net result of that. But luckily I'm not in it for the KB stats, I'm in it for the fun.

But I can really appreciate someone that has a good looking KB, because clearly they win when they fight; and the ability to win is the ultimate measure of success in pvp.

Dan Carter Murray

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#45 - 2013-11-18 15:04:55 UTC | Edited by: Dan Carter Murray

no blues
no scouts
no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
no links
no pirate faction ships
K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
doesn't gloat
smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
has less than 90% efficiency
kills **** tons of ships
loses **** tons of ships
kills people they have no business killing
dies to people who of course would kill them
understands why they win engagements
understands why they lose engagements
understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.

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Beyond Divinity Inc

Shadow Cartel

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#46 - 2013-11-18 15:52:19 UTC

Dan Carter Murray wrote:

no blues
no scouts
no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
no links
no pirate faction ships
K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
doesn't gloat
smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
has less than 90% efficiency
kills **** tons of ships
loses **** tons of ships
kills people they have no business killing
dies to people who of course would kill them
understands why they win engagements
understands why they lose engagements
understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.

Disagree with loads on this list.

But i do think that losing a pod to Santo is a certain rite of passage.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

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elitatwo Zansha Expansion Likes received: 1,739	#47 - 2013-11-18 16:25:18 UTC Baali Tekitsu wrote: Gorski Car wrote: Hg pirate set, links, high bc rank, only pvps in high sec. Thats the spirit linked condor with falcon alt all day erry day Why am I not surprised? Eve Minions is recruiting. This is the law of ship progression! Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

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SeaSaw Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic Likes received: 77	#48 - 2013-11-18 16:39:50 UTC Good Sirs; Anyone who can escape a 3 point lock in a novice plex. your humble servent SeaSaw

Dan Carter Murray

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#49 - 2013-11-18 17:16:06 UTC

Here's the answer to the unasked question: In your opinion, what makes a pvper 'good metagamer'?

blue everyone that is a threat
multiple scout
multiple neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
at least loki links, legion or tengu, and proteus preferred
blingy pirate faction ships since you have blued everyone that is a threat
K/D copmletely relevant (in other words you are a **** pvper if you take any losses)
isk efficiency (in other words you are a **** pvper with less than 99% efficiency)
acknoledges everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and spends months on the dev server figuring out exactly which comps beat which comps so as not to risk a loss
never tries experimental fits to avoid having their pending lossmail make them look insane
always gloats about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
engages nothing that could possibly cause them to lose isk efficiency or K/D ratio
panicks when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
gloats
smacks with no class while spamming pictures when they lose a ship because their metagame didn't work
has over than 99% efficiency
kills some ships
loses no ships
kills people they should never die to
dies to blob and links die to because they were panicking
has no clue whey they win engagements
rage quits and buys another alt when they lose an engagement
expects the limited engagements they actually engage in to have them come out on top
sues their ISP if they die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
cannot die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point because of many scouting alts. more alts, more alts.
cannot believe if they die at some point and rage quits
knows who Santo Trafficante is and will self explode RL pod if they lose their 5bil hg snake set
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo

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elitatwo

Zansha Expansion

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#50 - 2013-11-18 17:39:01 UTC | Edited by: elitatwo

Dan Carter Murray wrote:

Here's the answer to the unasked question: In your opinion, what makes a pvper 'good metagamer'?

blue everyone that is a threat
multiple scout
multiple neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
at least loki links, legion or tengu, and proteus preferred
blingy pirate faction ships since you have blued everyone that is a threat
K/D copmletely relevant (in other words you are a **** pvper if you take any losses)
isk efficiency (in other words you are a **** pvper with less than 99% efficiency)
acknoledges everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and spends months on the dev server figuring out exactly which comps beat which comps so as not to risk a loss
never tries experimental fits to avoid having their pending lossmail make them look insane
always gloats about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
engages nothing that could possibly cause them to lose isk efficiency or K/D ratio
panicks when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
gloats
smacks with no class while spamming pictures when they lose a ship because their metagame didn't work
has over than 99% efficiency
kills some ships
loses no ships
kills people they should never die to
dies to blob and links die to because they were panicking
has no clue whey they win engagements
rage quits and buys another alt when they lose an engagement
expects the limited engagements they actually engage in to have them come out on top
sues their ISP if they die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
cannot die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point because of many scouting alts. more alts, more alts.
cannot believe if they die at some point and rage quits
knows who Santo Trafficante is and will self explode RL pod if they lose their 5bil hg snake set
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo

I believe we are getting a little sidetracked here..

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Gizznitt Malikite

Agony Unleashed

Agony Empire

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#51 - 2013-11-18 18:15:48 UTC

A good PvP'er:

-- Has a decent understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of the ships he flies, and has a decent understanding of his opponents stengths and weaknesses.
-- Willing to take risks: This means taking a fight that he's unsure if he'll win or lose, but feels either outcome is a real possibility.
-- Challenges themselves: Example: Attempts to solo that vagabond in an Atron. Attempts to take on overwhelming forces by exploiting the opponents weaknesses, or employing a surprise tactic.
-- Continually learns from both winning and losing, constantly trying to better themselves.

and most importantly: Has fun!

Leto Thule

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#52 - 2013-11-18 21:06:11 UTC

A good PVPer doesnt ***** about getting ECM'd, TD'd, or engaged by a larger force when they chose to fight. They also are accepting of the fact that being boosted is part of the intended mechanics of the game, and that the entire point of EVE is to balance things in your favor while denying your opponent the equal ground. There is no such thing as a "fair fight". Its just a "fight."

A good PVPer will make mistakes, and learn from them rather than complain about how so and so mechanic needs to be changed to accommodate their play style.

A good PVPer also knows that skillpoints only matter in relation to the ship they are flying and the ship their target has. (Meaning if you fight someone with 20 mil SP in industry, it has no bearing on a 1v1 in merlins..)

Just my two cents. Pirate

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elitatwo

Zansha Expansion

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#53 - 2013-11-19 01:00:31 UTC

Leto Thule wrote:

I don't quite disagree but I want to clarify something.

If you are talking about a single opponent that is going against a small gang in let's say a battlecruiser or even a battleship for arguments sake and the gang decides to jam him, the outcome is already decided.

The gang is retreating and makes sure, they win.

Weapons are only fired from one side, only the soloers ship is destroyed.

When I talk about a fight, I don't care much about tracking disruptors or dampners and still weapons fire is exchanged by both parties, good fight.
Even if I were to loose my boat in the end to superior force, both parties will agree they have had a good fight.

If I jump into a 20 man bomber gang and a Falcon decloaks and jams me, the outcome is decided without any option to change the outcome. (And if you don't have the intel what you will face in the next system something like this might happen).

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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The Scope Gallente Federation 2,810
Malcolm Shinhwa The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,810	#54 - 2013-11-19 02:30:09 UTC 1 What makes a "good" PvPer seems like about as pointless a debate as who is a "real" pirate. [i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."


elitatwo Zansha Expansion Likes received: 1,739	#55 - 2013-11-19 02:58:25 UTC Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: What makes a "good" PvPer seems like about as pointless a debate as who is a "real" pirate. My intention here was to gather information and opinions and not to discuss them. Eve Minions is recruiting. This is the law of ship progression! Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

Crosi Wesdo

War and Order

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#56 - 2013-11-19 03:50:12 UTC

elitatwo wrote:

Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

What makes a "good" PvPer seems like about as pointless a debate as who is a "real" pirate.

My intention here was to gather information and opinions and not to discuss them.

PvP is very much an us and them situation. Clouded by selective recall. There is no value in peoples opinions on this subject, there is only value in loot and tears.

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IbanezLaney The Church of Awesome Likes received: 1,578	#57 - 2013-11-19 04:09:00 UTC Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney

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Taoist Dragon Okata Syndicate Likes received: 988	#58 - 2013-11-19 04:13:14 UTC 1 IbanezLaney wrote: Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything.


elitatwo Zansha Expansion Likes received: 1,739	#59 - 2013-11-19 04:20:18 UTC 1 Taoist Dragon wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Hey thank you, I had no idea! Eve Minions is recruiting. This is the law of ship progression! Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

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Liam Inkuras Furnace Thermodynamics Likes received: 1,645	#60 - 2013-11-19 04:21:16 UTC 1 Taoist Dragon wrote: IbanezLaney wrote: Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Do my gogglez count? I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone