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Minmatar vs Gallente cruisers (PVP)
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Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#21 - 2013-11-17 03:16:25 UTC
illirdor wrote:
Meyr wrote:
if you undock in something you can't afford to lose, you will surely lose it


Thats is a pretty stupid thing to say.. you dont lose somthing just because you cant afford to lose it..


Obviously, you've never heard of Murphy's Law.Shocked

That said, if you can't look at that final paragraph in my post with a sense of humor, try taking the rod out, and re-reading it.Big smile
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#22 - 2013-11-18 02:43:29 UTC
Meyr wrote:
illirdor wrote:
Meyr wrote:
if you undock in something you can't afford to lose, you will surely lose it


Thats is a pretty stupid thing to say.. you dont lose somthing just because you cant afford to lose it..


Obviously, you've never heard of Murphy's Law.Shocked

That said, if you can't look at that final paragraph in my post with a sense of humor, try taking the rod out, and re-reading it.Big smile


I kinda agree. Every time I have a run of success in a ship, I say to myself 'I'm flying this a lot and having a good run with it, I could justify investing a bit more into this ship'. So I go and pimp it out, and will lose it very quickly. :p

Especially faction disruptors. For some reason every time I upgrade to RF disruptor I lose the ship in some really stupid ways.

It's jinxed!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-11-18 09:42:58 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Without some more guides to base off of, opinions are going to be vague at best. Thanks to tiericide the T1 cruiser line ups are pretty decent across the board. That said there are of course different meta strategy for each hull/race that tends to stack them better or worse against each other.

And that is before even mentioning skill layout or pilot style.

For my personal opinion I like the gal lineup a bit better for the drone option. Particularly sentry vex.



The only thing bad is that they mde the rupture slower than the thorax. Jsut naother example of CCP throwing out of the widnows all racial identity.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#24 - 2013-11-18 14:50:04 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Froggy Storm wrote:
Without some more guides to base off of, opinions are going to be vague at best. Thanks to tiericide the T1 cruiser line ups are pretty decent across the board. That said there are of course different meta strategy for each hull/race that tends to stack them better or worse against each other.

And that is before even mentioning skill layout or pilot style.

For my personal opinion I like the gal lineup a bit better for the drone option. Particularly sentry vex.



The only thing bad is that they mde the rupture slower than the thorax. Jsut naother example of CCP throwing out of the widnows all racial identity.

A combat cruiser is slower than an attack cruiser, what a huge surprise.

"The homogenization of EVE began when Gallente and Caldari started sharing a weapon system."---Vermaak Doe-- "Ohh squabbles ohh I love my dust trolls like watching an episode of Maury with less " Is he my Dad " but more of " My Neighbor took a dump on my lawn " good episode! pops more corn" ---Evernub--
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-11-18 14:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
RLM changes easily make Caldari the worst PvP race, and not just for cruisers. The only good PvP ships Caldari have left are the ECM ships and even those are started to be eclipsed by sensor damps.

As for Gallente/Minmatar cruisers, it really depends on if you consider the Cynabal a Minmatar ship. I mean, it does use ACs and shield tank, not hybrids and armor tank like Gallente. If you do, Minmatar wins on the strength of that ship alone, otherwise Gallente.
Urkhan Law
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#26 - 2013-11-18 14:55:59 UTC
Drake Doe wrote:

A combat cruiser is slower than an attack cruiser, what a huge surprise.

You have a point there, unfortunately the Rupture is also slower than the Vexor.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-11-18 22:31:09 UTC
Urkhan Law wrote:
Drake Doe wrote:

A combat cruiser is slower than an attack cruiser, what a huge surprise.

You have a point there, unfortunately the Rupture is also slower than the Vexor.


Really? Does it have more EHP? Or an extra low for a speed mod? If not, that is kinda stupid.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Urkhan Law
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#28 - 2013-11-18 23:39:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Urkhan Law
I like the Vexor - Rupture example.

Vexor Base Speed : 256m/s
Vexor HP: 8100 EHP

Rupture Base Speed : 263m/s
Rupture HP : 7790 EHP

Both ships have the same slot layout, so both ships can fit the same speed/tank mods.
If you fit plates on both, Vexor will continue to have more HP than the Rupture.
But if you slap an Afterburner or an MWD...

Vexor : 654m/s AB Speed - 1729m/s MWD Speed
Rupture : 649m/s AB Speed - 1693 m/s MWD Speed.
With heat, or other speed enhancement mods that both ships can fit, the difference is bigger.

It happens in other ships too, they kept the +5m/s base speed advantage, but the ships were nerfed with extra mass.
The Minmatar racial speed advantage, in lot's of ship classes, doesn't really exist anymore.
OBS: Despite the different weapon systems, better not compare the DPS potential between this two.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#29 - 2013-11-19 01:51:19 UTC
Urkhan Law wrote:
I like the Vexor - Rupture example.

Vexor Base Speed : 256m/s
Vexor HP: 8100 EHP

Rupture Base Speed : 263m/s
Rupture HP : 7790 EHP

Both ships have the same slot layout, so both ships can fit the same speed/tank mods.
If you fit plates on both, Vexor will continue to have more HP than the Rupture.
But if you slap an Afterburner or an MWD...

Vexor : 654m/s AB Speed - 1729m/s MWD Speed
Rupture : 649m/s AB Speed - 1693 m/s MWD Speed.
With heat, or other speed enhancement mods that both ships can fit, the difference is bigger.

It happens in other ships too, they kept the +5m/s base speed advantage, but the ships were nerfed with extra mass.
The Minmatar racial speed advantage, in lot's of ship classes, doesn't really exist anymore.
OBS: Despite the different weapon systems, better not compare the DPS potential between this two.


Agree Urkhan mate. They have not 'balanced' the minnie as such. Now they do the least damage, have lower HP, often lower speed once prop mods are taken into account and are pretty back at damage projection.

Check out my findings and my suggestion to bring some balance back to them.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3892614#post3892614

TLDR. -5% inertia to most minnie ships will see then 'slightly' ahead in speed and agility. But only by 2-3%. Ruppie however -5% Mass to balance it back out.

Leave damage and stuff alone as the above would give them enough of a racial flavour to balance them out IMO.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Cown
Heretical Cows
#30 - 2013-11-19 08:00:21 UTC
Urkhan Law wrote:
I like the Vexor - Rupture example.

Vexor Base Speed : 256m/s
Vexor HP: 8100 EHP

Rupture Base Speed : 263m/s
Rupture HP : 7790 EHP

Both ships have the same slot layout, so both ships can fit the same speed/tank mods.
If you fit plates on both, Vexor will continue to have more HP than the Rupture.
But if you slap an Afterburner or an MWD...

Vexor : 654m/s AB Speed - 1729m/s MWD Speed
Rupture : 649m/s AB Speed - 1693 m/s MWD Speed.
With heat, or other speed enhancement mods that both ships can fit, the difference is bigger.

It happens in other ships too, they kept the +5m/s base speed advantage, but the ships were nerfed with extra mass.
The Minmatar racial speed advantage, in lot's of ship classes, doesn't really exist anymore.
OBS: Despite the different weapon systems, better not compare the DPS potential between this two.


This needs to be fixed.
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