EVE General Discussion

""I also like the part where you say that people shouldn't say someone has a mentall illness, and then proceed to say people who might not like being backstabbed in a game they play for fun, with other people, are mentally ill.""

ohhhh burn!!
but yeah Remiel, that was kind of insensitive of you to say someone that gets upset over pixels had "problems to sort out" I mean with your first hand experience in these matters... that's kinda messed up dude.

You know, yes, I've been a bit upset about this "you're a sociopath if you gank" nonsense, but I'm coming down from it now and remembering why I keep ganking. I haven't done it in a while, though, so I'm going to have to come out of low sec and go on a bit of a spree to make up for it, just because of all the people who are clearly irritated enough by gankers to reach for the most spiteful thing they can possibly throw at gankers. Unless you can learn to defend yourself with more than a few nasty words, you're open season.

OP, if you are going to...

-Gank
-Awox
-Reverse Awox
-Scam
-Heist

So on and so forth...

Don't do it to new players. They are the lifeblood that exists to help propel the game forward.

It is better to take those actions against older players, as they should have learned their lessons. And if they haven't, then they deserve the fate of a gank.

Also...

Please keep in mind that new players have a month in which they are to be immune from "grief."

While it may have happened outside of a rookie system, next time I believe your best course of action would be to petition CCP in order to get an idea of what you can and can not do. Because rookies are important to the game.

I have done all of the "horrible, sociopathic playstyles" above. Many times.

But a newbie, man?

Seriously?

That newbie could have helped you "create" something bigger. Because, after all, isn't that what this game is about? Content creation? Building something in the sandbox?

Instead your content was:

-A ship put into structure
-A corp mate left (who could have proved over time to be very loyal and useful later on)
-A player leaving the game
-A half-assed post in GD about your "glorious triumph."

Congrats. You put a Retriever in structure.

Next time, send them to me, as I can always find use for a new player that picks up the game quickly. Some examples...

-Hero tackle
-If he found his niche in industry...a possible industrial director...who can sell ships at a discount to corp mates.
-Bait
-A fellow FW plexer who could provide backup in the event of 3-4 frigates or destroyers dropping in a room.

The list goes on.

So next time...keep this in mind...

There is a reason why Goonswarm and related entities shower their newbies with isk, advice, and gifts. Ironically, it is also why they are the most tight-knit organization in the game, not to mention the most powerful.

They understand that loyalty is what propels an organization forward. And loyalty is far more important than isk, killmails, and the like. The only thing that eclipses that is proper content creation.


TL;DR


Don't screw with new players, man.

I remember the first time I was ganked. It hurt like hell, and I had to grab a Xanax to counter the loss of my entire first 7-8 months of assets. Around 8 bil lost.

I learned, and persevered on. But not because of me. But rather, because another suicide ganker in Niarja, convo'd me, talked me down, and helped me out with a couple 100mil. A veteran...who watched it happened...and watched as I sat on the gate in my pod...awe-stricken and unsure what to do.

Granted, I didn't get 7 months worth of work back, but it gave me a BC to start back up, and the will to keep on playing. And now, several years later, I am still here, and will more than likely be here for quite awhile longer.

Anyone but the newbies, bro. Anyone but the newbies.

Have a good day.

If you were one of my corpmates, you'd know me well enough not to be concerned at all.

You shouldn't worry about it. Most people who say that aren't really sociopaths.

Then don't state your opinions are fact. You're sensitive about yourself, so how about showing some gods damned empathy towards people and their opinions/attitude towards a matter. If you don't like it, don't dish it out.

Well, there are really two types of gamers here. There's the social gamer, who is playing a game in order to socialize, and there is a gamer who plays to win. And I believe that a social gamer is going to react very differently than I would to the same situations, because their primary purpose is different than mine... ie, to socialize. So it's really all wrapped up in the original manifesto, it's just that there are so many different purposes you can have in EVE that the reactions are equally varied.

This thread has totally helped me come to terms with ganking.

Thanks, thread.