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Dev blog: We Can't Stop Here - Ship and Module Balancing in Rubicon

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#21 - 2013-11-18 18:11:12 UTC
Princess Maldiva wrote:
I think after these rebalances and those to BS and Caps that you should let things settle for a while - players need to learn what all the ships' characteristics are and the ships should have a settled character over a long period. This is how the ships become renowned over time (like the old Drake, etc).

Changing the command ship models was a stupid and unnecessary change.

Give the Stratios it's 5th drone back for the love of God.

Aside from that - all looks pretty great with the ships of Eve these days.


next on my list for skin changes is to make the ishkur look like a tristan.

that would be boss.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#22 - 2013-11-18 18:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
Princess Maldiva wrote:
I think after these rebalances and those to BS and Caps that you should let things settle for a while - players need to learn what all the ships' characteristics are and the ships should have a settled character over a long period. This is how the ships become renowned over time (like the old Drake, etc).

Changing the command ship models was a stupid and unnecessary change.

Give the Stratios it's 5th drone back for the love of God.

Aside from that - all looks pretty great with the ships of Eve these days.


The expansion looks like a good one. Wish all the really neat stuff like new star gates could come right now, but oh well. Better the groundwork is layed first, prevents turning Eve's legacy code into even more of a mess.

The Stratios is fine as it is. I wouldn't complain if it's drone bay gets slashed and another laser-bonus added during a later re-balance run, though.
Zircon Dasher
#23 - 2013-11-18 18:23:30 UTC
YAY FOR PATCH DAY!



Just out of curiosity, is it too early to start threads on the following:

1) I trained for X and now X is useless. GEIF SP PLOX
2) Why is the server not up yet? It was supposed to be live 3min ago!!!
3) My rage-quit was fit with the following whines-

Lol

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#24 - 2013-11-18 19:10:00 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Princess Maldiva wrote:
I think after these rebalances and those to BS and Caps that you should let things settle for a while - players need to learn what all the ships' characteristics are and the ships should have a settled character over a long period. This is how the ships become renowned over time (like the old Drake, etc).

Changing the command ship models was a stupid and unnecessary change.

Give the Stratios it's 5th drone back for the love of God.

Aside from that - all looks pretty great with the ships of Eve these days.


next on my list for skin changes is to make the ishkur look like a tristan.

that would be boss.


And how about a black and silver Tormentor-Vengeance, A Breacher-Jaguar, and a Hawk-Kessie

The Drake is a Lie
Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-11-18 19:28:36 UTC
Looks good.

WTB: Stratios 500 mil

(Ice) Miner for life.
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#26 - 2013-11-18 21:52:15 UTC
Exploration & Deadspace

• Level 1 to 3 DED sites and high-sec Anomaly sites have been added to the low-sec distribution tables. (The high-sec tables are unaffected). This is aimed at increasing income opportunities for newer players in low-sec space.


This Bear

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2013-11-18 23:22:09 UTC
crusader is awful, worse than claw in every way possible
raptor is awful
crow is broken op, would be even if you removed the tackle range bonuses
taranis can't gang because hull tank
ares is bad version of malediction, lol @ 'effective' blasters/railguns with no fitting and no dps

interceptors are still unusable for pvpers in lowsec, and I notice that like AFs, they still have worse cap than t1 frigs

all those eafs are trash for gang ewar, and are only good for killing soloers

buffer armour tanking and going fast still doesn't seem to work, all the speed mods ruin your tank, all the armour mods ruin your speed

caldari seem to now be low-sig, high-speed for some reason

marauders are dumb, delete

covops cloaks are dumb and break the risk-reward thing, delete soe ships and remove covops cloaks

rapid launcher changes are dumb and don't include a LM nerf

drake and harbinger are ugly

0/10, lilmad
Chunky Milk
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#28 - 2013-11-19 01:15:44 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
crusader is awful, worse than claw in every way possible
raptor is awful
crow is broken op, would be even if you removed the tackle range bonuses
taranis can't gang because hull tank
ares is bad version of malediction, lol @ 'effective' blasters/railguns with no fitting and no dps

interceptors are still unusable for pvpers in lowsec, and I notice that like AFs, they still have worse cap than t1 frigs

all those eafs are trash for gang ewar, and are only good for killing soloers

buffer armour tanking and going fast still doesn't seem to work, all the speed mods ruin your tank, all the armour mods ruin your speed

caldari seem to now be low-sig, high-speed for some reason

marauders are dumb, delete

covops cloaks are dumb and break the risk-reward thing, delete soe ships and remove covops cloaks

rapid launcher changes are dumb and don't include a LM nerf

drake and harbinger are ugly

0/10, lilmad

lmao bitterness level is way over 9000
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#29 - 2013-11-19 05:38:24 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nicen Jehr wrote:
did the "overheat all the things" for midslot modules (likely including painters, TC, sebo, damps, TD's and maybe more) make it into Rubicon 1.0?
edit - i can't find any reference for this but I swear I heard a dev, I think fozzie, talking about it. Probably on a Twitch stream.
edit edit - found it in Fozzie+Rise's Eve Vegas presentation: 'We're also gonna be doing a pass on overheating mechanics in the game for Rubicon... we're also gonna be allowing you to overheat a bunch of modules that you couldn't overheat before." see 11m17s


It's been bumped from the main release since I wanted to have more time for feedback and sisi testing. Expect more info soon after release.



I would eat a kitten on webcam for the ability to overheat SeBos and Drone Damage Amplifiers.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#30 - 2013-11-19 13:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Oreb Wing
Please tell me sometime in the future you will nerf ASB's or give them some relevant penalty to their class.

Dual Medium ASB frigates makes me lol and curse whoever decided their PG fitting requirements.

Either make the quality of the cap booster determine the repair amount or give them a PG fitting penalty. They are too good, just as having double AAR's would be.

::Edit:: Maybe give them the same fitting as the extenders and not the boosters.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2013-11-19 14:20:34 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
it's bat country.


https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Bat%20Country

Confirming that you're a goon? :tinfoil:

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Robert Parr
Iron Tiger T3 Industries
#32 - 2013-11-19 22:07:41 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
it's bat country.

Hope you all enjoy Rubicon's balance work: coming to TQ tomorrow!



Tee Hee, This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tYv7RWQfzc

CFC OZZIE

And combined with the gal that would eat a Kittie for module overheat and you have rabid fans as well!!!!!Shocked
Tora Hamaji
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-11-20 01:00:28 UTC
what happened to blockade runners getting interdiction nullifier immunity?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#34 - 2013-11-20 05:59:44 UTC
balancing stuff yay!!!! this used to be my biggest complaint about ccp, but the last few years have been much better. keep on rocking!

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
OkaskiKali
Aussie Carebear OverLords
#35 - 2013-11-20 13:12:57 UTC
What's the difference between Fleet focus and Combat focus?
Ms Michigan
Aviation Professionals for EVE
#36 - 2013-11-21 03:03:33 UTC
I had to get off my lazy butt and log in just to give a huge THANKS to CCP Fozzie. Fozzie you get a lot of likes but you are STILL not shown enough imho.
You have done so much for the game and my whole corp thanks you for it.



P.S. The video spot with Guard and co. was pretty awesome too. :) Some good lolz. :)
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#37 - 2013-11-21 13:03:28 UTC
Fozzie u might want to make this error message a lil more 'user friendly' so that people less well informed of game code can figure it out....

Quote:
Message: 'TooManyModulesOfGroup'
Args: {'groupName': (7, 589), 'noOfModulesFitted': 2, 'noOfModulesAllowed': 1}
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#38 - 2013-11-29 10:12:12 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
crusader is awful, worse than claw in every way possible
raptor is awful
crow is broken op, would be even if you removed the tackle range bonuses
taranis can't gang because hull tank
ares is bad version of malediction, lol @ 'effective' blasters/railguns with no fitting and no dps

interceptors are still unusable for pvpers in lowsec, and I notice that like AFs, they still have worse cap than t1 frigs

all those eafs are trash for gang ewar, and are only good for killing soloers

buffer armour tanking and going fast still doesn't seem to work, all the speed mods ruin your tank, all the armour mods ruin your speed

caldari seem to now be low-sig, high-speed for some reason

marauders are dumb, delete

covops cloaks are dumb and break the risk-reward thing, delete soe ships and remove covops cloaks

rapid launcher changes are dumb and don't include a LM nerf

drake and harbinger are ugly

0/10, lilmad


I disagree on all counts. CCP: 10/10 for your Rubicon expansion. Just make sure you can hold onto this high level of good work and everything should work out well!
Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-12-05 14:43:29 UTC
I would like the DEV's comments on exactly how they are balancing anything related to the INDY side of the game? Seems more like all you guys want to do is tip the scales to the PVP players advantage yet again. and this is not the first time. the last 3 major patches have all slid the scale to the pvper's side and done nothing but paint targets on the indy and miners backs.
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