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I scared a new corp member and he ragequited EVE

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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#61 - 2013-11-18 15:43:51 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
just dropping by to point out that the past tense of of 'to quit' is 'quit' not 'quited', so the threadtitle ought to be corrected.


Irrelevant. The past tense of 'ragequit' is 'ragequited'

Nope.

Adding a prefix doesn't alter the conjugation of the root verb. Past tense of "forego" is "forewent" not "foregoed" and "overspend" goes to "overspent" not "overspended" etc etc.

In any case, even if adding "ed" was correct, which it obviously isn't, it would require two "t"s, as "ragequitted".

0/10.


I am so glad you wrote this post. Grammar tears.
Deftor
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-11-18 16:33:46 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
just dropping by to point out that the past tense of of 'to quit' is 'quit' not 'quited', so the threadtitle ought to be corrected.


Irrelevant. The past tense of 'ragequit' is 'ragequited'

Nope.

Adding a prefix doesn't alter the conjugation of the root verb. Past tense of "forego" is "forewent" not "foregoed" and "overspend" goes to "overspent" not "overspended" etc etc.

In any case, even if adding "ed" was correct, which it obviously isn't, it would require two "t"s, as "ragequitted".

0/10.


I am so glad you wrote this post. Grammar tears.


these reminding I of those times myself when talkinged about how I overspenting isk on that skill me wanted, and then how I was referring to when i talked about overpenting, and my friend Mike was speaking of how he was overspeaking the referenced overspended and us agreed we'd overspent.

NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2013-11-18 16:55:12 UTC
Dont feel too bad OP
Im constantly killing and being killed by allies as the TR in Planetside 2 (Seriously who thought it was good idea to make us red, then swap characters to blue while keeping structures red?) (It messes with my mind and makes me want to stay NC)

You will run into people like that, though you should have mentioned this be pvp tutorial, starting now first.
I find that helps alot rather than just going lol pvp.
Also it works great to throw them into RVB.
So many wrecks of theirs, makes me proud.
Anslo
Scope Works
#64 - 2013-11-18 17:09:28 UTC
You, OP, are everything wrong with Eve. You wanna get people to PvP? Teach them. Lead them. Don't just gank and say HTFU. Kindly biomass.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-11-18 17:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Naydra Adni wrote:
so.. you recruit some kid who wants to play the industrial side of eve (before he finds it's boring on his own) you take him under your wing, give him tips, pointers and fitting/ship tutoring.. then he mines for who knows how long to buy a retriever which is "epic" in his own words., then you try to blow it up?
then you go to GD and brag about what a badass you are? yeah.. kick that kid off his trike.. you are hardcore dude.. the baddest of the bad.

Did you miss the part where he didn't blow up the ship? I find it very strange that someone quit over repair costs. I guess it wasn't the game for him.

One of my friends started recently, I challenged him to a duel and for some reason he accepted. I don't think he'll be accepting duels invites from me the the future, but hes still playing the game.

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Amber Kurvora
#66 - 2013-11-18 17:20:59 UTC
And people wonder why more newbies don't stay on to play Eve? A corp is supposed to support and foster new members, not give them post traumatic and a distrust of anyone who offers them a helping hand.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-11-18 17:22:46 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Edora Madullier wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Unless you're qualified in the field of developmental disorders, like my own autism for example, you should really try to avoid pretending to know something about them. If you DO know something about them, then you already know you're full of crap, in which case you're just trolling. Calling people "bored, stupid, sociopaths, developmentally challenged", etc, and attaching them to such negative connotations.... how does that make you any different than the people you're criticising?


He may be wrong with the exact terms (I don't know **** about it, so can't say), but he's right when he mentions :

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essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult


Doing "bad things" in EvE is OK, it's part of the game, but enjoying making other people miserable is not. It's not your character "harvesting the tears" of the other character, it's the player doing so to the other player. Human beings. The fact that it is a video game doesn't matter at all.
Maybe the victim should not be too upset about a game, but the fact that the "tear harvester" enjoys other people's suffering sure is a sign of asshatery, whether it qualifies as sociopathy or not.


Bullshit, the fact that it is a video game negates the 'suffering' of other players together. Oh noes, your pixels exploded? First world problems, biatch. Let me know when you've experienced some real suffering and THEN we'll talk about suffering in a video game.

There isn't even one single parallel you can draw. Not one. The fact that you're playing video games AT ALL means you're not suffering, so whatever enjoyment other players get out of what they do to you IN GAME has no parallel in reality, sorry.

Just because you use the video "game" as a tool to project misery and suffering onto others does not negate that you, a human being, is deriving enjoyment from making another human being miserable. The tool that is used to accomplish this is irrelevant. Your intent is what is in question, not the tool you use. The very reason why you'd want to "collect tears" is because you know your actions are causing another human being real misery.

Now I know it's tempting to move this goal post around and claim "well they shouldn't feel misery over a game anyway... so it's their fault." And that, at this point is irrelevant. We can certainly make the argument that people should be more chill when interacting with people inclined at making them miserable, in essence ignore and brush off. But this does NOT in way make "tear collecting" or grief play acceptable or normal behavior.


My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact. If you're getting miserable over a video game, then it's you with the problem, not the person you blame for 'causing' it.

My other point is, this is still not indicative of mental illness. People who keep accusing their attackers of being mentally ill ought to be banned from this game, IMO. In fact, references to mental illness ought to be banned from the forums. It belittles real mental illness, for one, and oversteps your own authority on the subject. I have yet to meet a professional in the field who thinks it's possible to make such diagnoses based solely on how they play games.

This is how it is. Griefers will grief because griefing is funny. If you tried it as well, instead of just complaining about being griefed, you would find it funny too. You would laugh, and it's a fact. I know, because I've been right where you are now. The first online game I played, I asked my griefers if they were sick in the head, those exact words. And I know exactly where those thoughts come from. Everyone wants to be a psychologist with a degree from University Opinion but as someone with mental illness myself, you not only degrade very real suffering by paralleling ANYTHING, any experience at all, in a video game to it, you degrade your own credibility as an intellect as well.

To blanket everyone who behaves a certain way with a diagnostic criteria is more pathetic, IMO, than griefing, because at least the griefers are enjoying themselves. All I see is sourness and vile and spite in people who want to pull the 'mental illness' card on their assailants instead of, I dunno, getting the **** over it cuz it's a GAME.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-11-18 17:26:06 UTC
did you miss the part where he went out of his way to teach him how to be a carebear... then felt like being an ass and "teach this little carebear a lesson"?
think before you try to be witty and post.. take your time this isn't Jeopardy and Alex isn't standing over you with a timer.
please try again :)
Anslo
Scope Works
#69 - 2013-11-18 17:26:31 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.

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Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#70 - 2013-11-18 17:39:26 UTC
Investing yourself into pixels in an unforgiving game is a terrible idea and probably all who are that invested have as many issues as those who want to destroy other people's things for no reason.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-11-18 17:51:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.


Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-11-18 17:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused.

If this were true you wouldn't have these types of personalities seeking and enjoying the "collection of tears".
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My other point is, this is still not indicative of mental illness.

It most certainly is indicative. Lack of empathy and enjoyment of other people's suffering are in fact signs of sociopathy. I agree that it doesn't mean you are. Nonetheless they are common flags.
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This is how it is. Griefers will grief because griefing is funny.

Actually, no. Griefing isn't funny to me. I don't doubt that you find it funny, but it most certainly isn't funny to me. I don't mean to offend you, but I only find this behavior somewhat acceptable from young children. And even then, I expect parents to address and correct this behavior. I speak as a parent myself.
I'm not going to quote and address the rest of your post because it is simply a poor justification to griefing, and in the end, I highly doubt you'll understand why griefing is unacceptable social behavior. But just wanted to at least clear your misconceptions above.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Anslo
Scope Works
#73 - 2013-11-18 18:16:09 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.


Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

Mean and nasty "facts?" Listen here, cupcake. Your facts aren't facts. They're opinions. Your opinion, sucks. It sucks more than a black hole.

You're right, it's just a space pixel. OK. That doesn't mean that it's good to see people chased off Eve, or to say they aren't cut out for it after being back stabbed for ***** and giggles because most people in the world aren't paranoid survivalists in a GAME, or to pass tear collection and griefing as 'content creation.'

I don't know about you, but I WANT to see Eve grow. I want to see newbies stay. This is why I do what I do. This is why I still play Eve. I like teaching nubbins how to pew, and that lowsec isn't instadeath, and that losing a ship isn't a big deal. Not by killing them, but taking them out to kill other ****. To feel the thrill of a win when the odds are against you. THAT'S how you keep people in a game like Eve. Eve is harsh, but that doesn't mean you have to make it harsher. Show the newbs that they too, can be just as harsh and bad ass. Show them they aren't just prey.

In other words, stop being a raging ****.

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Leonardo Diom
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-11-18 18:19:29 UTC
I find all this commotion over this incident exaggerated to say the least.
Sure, taking someone down to hull to teach them something might not be the smartest of ideas, but the noob player's reaction was exaggerated as well. Paying for your account to then (probably) quit the game because someone shoved you a bit is simply stupid.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#75 - 2013-11-18 18:20:19 UTC
I'm still here.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-11-18 18:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.


Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

They aren't facts. They're Tippia facts, or heavily opinionated ideas labeled as "facts".

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-11-18 18:33:50 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.


Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

They aren't facts. They're Tippia facts, or heavily opinionated ideas labeled as "facts".


No, they're facts, and I explained what makes them facts, and I am not Tippia, and I don't care for OPINION any more than you do, so people need to stop with their OPINIONS regarding mental illness, because unless you've got some qualifications to present, then you only have unsubstantiated OPINION your ******* self.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Anslo
Scope Works
#78 - 2013-11-18 18:35:27 UTC
Substantiate the opinion that back stabbing someone doesn't cause misery.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-11-18 18:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
My point is, no misery is being caused. It's not shifting the goal posts, it's a fact.

Stopped reading there. GTFO.


Putting your hands over your ears and singing "LALALALALALA" to block out the mean and nasty facts doesn't change them one iota.

Mean and nasty "facts?" Listen here, cupcake. Your facts aren't facts. They're opinions. Your opinion, sucks. It sucks more than a black hole.

You're right, it's just a space pixel. OK. That doesn't mean that it's good to see people chased off Eve, or to say they aren't cut out for it after being back stabbed for ***** and giggles because most people in the world aren't paranoid survivalists in a GAME, or to pass tear collection and griefing as 'content creation.'

I don't know about you, but I WANT to see Eve grow. I want to see newbies stay. This is why I do what I do. This is why I still play Eve. I like teaching nubbins how to pew, and that lowsec isn't instadeath, and that losing a ship isn't a big deal. Not by killing them, but taking them out to kill other ****. To feel the thrill of a win when the odds are against you. THAT'S how you keep people in a game like Eve. Eve is harsh, but that doesn't mean you have to make it harsher. Show the newbs that they too, can be just as harsh and bad ass. Show them they aren't just prey.

In other words, stop being a raging ****.


I don't really care what you want to call me, and I don't really care for your opinion of my opinion, either. The point is, if you're going to DIAGNOSE people with 'mental illnesses' just because they're behaving in a way that you, with your subjective application of your own moral values to a video game, think is 'bad', then you're wrong, and it sounds more like spiteful, prescriptive retaliation for the sake of getting your own kick out of trying to make the person who made you feel bad also feel bad by labelling them as a 'sociopath' when in fact there is nothing about being a sociopath that is bad just by virtue of being a sociopath.

And I think you're missing, largely, my point here. I'm not defending anyone's behaviour, I'm just saying stop being armchair psychologists who think you know something you don't. This applies to anyone who's ever applied the word 'sociopath' or similar to behaviour of players in VIDEO GAMES, that point being the ONLY diagnostic criteria you know of the player. It's pathetic, it's wrong, it's ridiculous, it belittles real mental illness and adds negative connotations to the illness unnecessarily, thereby increasing the disdain with which people look down on people with REAL sociopathic tendencies, like myself.

You know, a girlfriend dumped me once when she found out I was a sociopath. That was the only reason, the use of the words "I'm a sociopath." It was nothing I'd done, just the label. The first thing she asked me was, "what, do you like, torture small animals or something?" It's **** like this calling people sociopaths just because of 'bad behaviour' or otherwise unusual behaviour that you can't otherwise understand, and sometimes have no business trying to understand, that a sociopath these days is just seen as a bad person just by virtue of the word sociopath having these negative connotations. If you do it, you're a ****.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Anslo
Scope Works
#80 - 2013-11-18 18:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
For saying that people don't feel pain or misery from a game, you sure seem upset.

By the way, I'm one of those 'sociopaths' who is, in fact, calling you out on your bullshit.

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