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Dev blog: We Can't Stop Here - Ship and Module Balancing in Rubicon

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CCP Gargant
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-11-18 15:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
EVE Online Rubicon is being released tomorrow, the 19th of November! To bridge the gap and ease the wait, CCP Fozzie has written yet another dev blog, this time talking about the multitudes of balancing sweeps coming to ships near you with the expansion.

Head on over here to read it.

Leave your feedback in this thread and then we will see you in space tomorrow!

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2013-11-18 15:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
it's bat country.

Hope you all enjoy Rubicon's balance work: coming to TQ tomorrow!

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Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-18 15:47:06 UTC
Cant wait for it to go out :)

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-11-18 15:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Graygor
CCP Fozzie wrote:
it's bat country.


Fixed for you. It demands a link to the video. Cool

Any idea when you guys plan to get around to the transport ships???? Blink

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#5 - 2013-11-18 15:48:01 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
it's bat country.

Hope you all enjoy Rubicon's balance work: coming to TQ tomorrow!

Oh you Ugh

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Citizen of Solitude
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-11-18 15:51:37 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
it's bat country.

Hope you all enjoy Rubicon's balance work: coming to TQ tomorrow!

I'm looking forward to Rubicon. The interceptor changes will either be brilliant or catastrophic, or why not both?

In the words of the great poet Josiah Bartlet, "what's next?"
Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#7 - 2013-11-18 15:55:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
did the "overheat all the things" for midslot modules (likely including painters, TC, sebo, damps, TD's and maybe more) make it into Rubicon 1.0?
edit - i can't find any reference for this but I swear I heard a dev, I think fozzie, talking about it. Probably on a Twitch stream.
edit edit - found it in Fozzie+Rise's Eve Vegas presentation: 'We're also gonna be doing a pass on overheating mechanics in the game for Rubicon... we're also gonna be allowing you to overheat a bunch of modules that you couldn't overheat before." see 11m17s

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CCP Masterplan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#8 - 2013-11-18 16:00:17 UTC
The balance train continues steaming ahead!

"This one time, on patch day..."

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Marc McIntyre Crendraven
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#9 - 2013-11-18 16:06:23 UTC
what about when a marauder gets DC when in bastion?

Eat Lead!!! Err....Antimatter...whatever!
Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
#10 - 2013-11-18 16:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rose Hips
I'm excited about these changes.

WTB Deployable Pleasure Hub for next expansion.

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Austin McLaren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-11-18 16:18:07 UTC
Maybe its just me but I find the whole Rubicon expansion quite underwhelming.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#12 - 2013-11-18 16:27:55 UTC
Well think of it like this.

Exploration is expanded, ghost sites in all space.
Sma's drop crap (Hurray wormhole combat)
Poco's highsec gone, more wardecs with a purpose happen
Interdictors no longer suck
Interceptors actually intercept
Sound actually works
Framework for dx11 (graphics)
Fixes to fleet organization
Personal storage space
Gate camp/station camp improvements (cyno inhib)
Marauder bastion mode (making both missions and incursions more interesting)
Ewar frigates actually useful now.
New char select screen
Build able implants

Not bad for an expansion.

Yaay!!!!
Highfield
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-11-18 16:29:59 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Well think of it like this.

Exploration is expanded, ghost sites in all space.
Sma's drop crap (Hurray wormhole combat)
Poco's highsec gone, more wardecs with a purpose happen
Interdictors no longer suck
Interceptors actually intercept
Sound actually works
Framework for dx11 (graphics)
Fixes to fleet organization
Personal storage space
Gate camp/station camp improvements (cyno inhib)
Marauder bastion mode (making both missions and incursions more interesting)
Ewar frigates actually useful now.
New char select screen
Build able implants

Not bad for an expansion.


+ ever-evolving recoding and groundwork for a lot more i'm sure.
Valterra Craven
#14 - 2013-11-18 16:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Valterra Craven
For the most part a decent expansion.

Still some gripes I have with it though.

The golem should have lost the TP bonus and been replaced with an application bonus like the others (ie explo radius, or velocity)

I also would have preferred the marauders just get t2 resists or equivalents without "bastion" mode to be more in line with what a t2 ship should be and reserved that mode for huge boost in tank reps, dmg range and application, and ewar.

Edit:

I also think the eris should have a falloff bonus to be more in line gallente than an optimal bonus.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2013-11-18 16:41:46 UTC
Nicen Jehr wrote:
did the "overheat all the things" for midslot modules (likely including painters, TC, sebo, damps, TD's and maybe more) make it into Rubicon 1.0?
edit - i can't find any reference for this but I swear I heard a dev, I think fozzie, talking about it. Probably on a Twitch stream.
edit edit - found it in Fozzie+Rise's Eve Vegas presentation: 'We're also gonna be doing a pass on overheating mechanics in the game for Rubicon... we're also gonna be allowing you to overheat a bunch of modules that you couldn't overheat before." see 11m17s


It's been bumped from the main release since I wanted to have more time for feedback and sisi testing. Expect more info soon after release.

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Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#16 - 2013-11-18 16:51:16 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
It's been bumped from the main release since I wanted to have more time for feedback and sisi testing. Expect more info soon after release.
thx looking forward to it!

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War Mourner
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-11-18 17:03:10 UTC
Oh god why are you changing the absolution hull, it looks so nice currently.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#18 - 2013-11-18 17:54:25 UTC
War Mourner wrote:
Oh god why are you changing the absolution hull, it looks so nice currently.


its a small price to pay for the awesomeness that is the new eos

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#19 - 2013-11-18 17:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
i'll just say this. i think the optimal range bonus on the stratios is silly. With SOE being healers and combat exploration and the fact if you are in deep space usually dont have a station to heal drones... i would think that instead of a lazor optimal range bonus a bonus to armor RR mods rabge would have made alot more sense.

its pretty much standard to fit a RR on a 0.0 drone ship anyways so why not make a bonus for it too?

could lead to some neat complexing groups too like duel RR domi's people do to do 10/10 complexes

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Princess Maldiva
Krul Corp
#20 - 2013-11-18 18:02:29 UTC
I think after these rebalances and those to BS and Caps that you should let things settle for a while - players need to learn what all the ships' characteristics are and the ships should have a settled character over a long period. This is how the ships become renowned over time (like the old Drake, etc).

Changing the command ship models was a stupid and unnecessary change.

Give the Stratios it's 5th drone back for the love of God.

Aside from that - all looks pretty great with the ships of Eve these days.
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