Wormholes

I live in a wh. At this time I don't just change subsystems. I have 3 legions, and 5 proteus. You're obviously not FROM a wh if you think T3 are versatile and just a sub swap away from the next niche job. If you're a daytripper dipping into wh, then there is a C3 close to your home system. If you're in low, there are probably 2 close by. If you're in null, you may have to scan (and maybe deep) to get to a C3. [yeah yeah there are direct C3 > null, but not that many]

T3 are versatile sure, but the only thing they are great at is the 40 man glory fleets that roam wh space. TBH, most of those fleets a fully of cloaky interdicted T3 that are mostly useless in combat (320 dps). I've been tackled more than once by a 10+ fleet that in total puts out less than 2k dps. I'm not sure what those folks are trying to say, but it's not coming out right.

A lone T3 though???? The KB are littered with them. There really isn't enough to them to be 'solo' ships. Don't get me wrong, you can brick tank one and play stations/gate/HS WH games all day long in one, but we're talking about getting off the wh and into a site. I won't go through all the weaknesses of each solo T3 running a C3 site, but we all know that if they get caught, they are doomed.

That's pretty much true for any solo C3 pve boat. We all know it, so my point is.... JUST STOP with this pimped out T3 for solo C3 stuff. It's a bad idea. There are cheaper ships that do the job just as well and any ship you solo C3 in.... well the clock is running for it to end up on a kb.

He wants to solo C3, so he doesn't have an escalation wallet - don't pretend like he does. I think I've discovered why wh space is hanging on to their big T3 blue ball fleets. A lot of folks can't think for themselves and figure out how to scale what they are flying to what they are trying to accomplish. WAKE UP YOU NINNIES!!!! A pimped out T3 [insert flavor here] isn't always the answer. Learn the game, adjust to the situation and the players involved!

Why is wh space dying?? You cookie cutter noobs with wallets too big for you grey matter are killing it. No creativity, no adaptability. No real concept that wh space is DYNAMIC (pls look it up) and to enjoy it you have to be able to adapt. As a group we've become a bunch of overpaid whiners.

Astarte is definitely a good option, however, it's not at clear cut as you say.

Astarte needs 3-4 months of specialized training just to undock it. 2 months of that training is essentially wasted timesink SP that will never provide you any benefit other than allowing you to undock a command ship. Astarte hull price is also up to 330m in Jita. The hull cost for the drone Proteus I posted is 340m at current Jita prices.

The Astarte tank is far, far worse. It's got double the sig radius which means double the damage from Sleeper BS missiles. The Proteus can basically ignore these and go with a pure EM/Therm tank. You're also going to have major cap problems against the Sleepers that neut, you can get the 800 DPS, oversized-AB Proteus cap stable on a 500 omni-DPS, 750 EM/Therm DPS tank. The Astarte can definitely tank and run C3s, but your margin of error is much lower. If Sleeper frigs get under your railguns you have to rely on unbonused light drones to scrape them off.

I also dunno where you get "billion ISK Proteus" from. A C-type medium repper is 60m, a SS 100MN AB is 50m. The Proteus fit I posted costs 525-535m for the whole thing.

Passive Drake sure works as the super-cheap option, but the DPS is absolutely terrible and you're looking at probably at over an hour per site if you count having to come back with a Noctis or destroyer to loot everything.

when we lived in a c2-c3-hs we used all kinds of different ships for solo site running and even fleet site running

for solo site running you have a few cheaper options

passive drakes take a while to run the sites and for me it was never realy worth it to take 30 mins a site in a hml passive drake
nighthawks run them a bit faster and take a bit more damage, ( i had one pop before i realized and looked up what a wolf rayet was)
we had people running them in maelstroms and hyperions but again its a crappy set up and the mael used ASB for tank
what i found best was two ships. Gila and tengu

my sentry gila had a 650 dps passive tank and 5 or 6 hundred dps with sentries and light missiles for frigs
when ever my sentries took agro i would use the medium shied repper and it kept my drones alive i think it was 7 gardes and 7 wardens and a flight of smalls but it was awesome i never had to warp out as long as i orbit one of my sentries at 500 m

Got it thanks :)