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Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#21 - 2013-11-18 14:33:40 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:


That's actually quite common practice.
Once the patient has been declared dead and the CPR-attempts are discontinued, any present med students or trainees are allowed to continue just a little longer to get some more practical CPR experience, since real human bodies are still vastly different from the mannequins used for training.
The patients are officially dead by that time, so really the worst thing that could happen would be that the student somehow successfully revives the patient, unlikely as it may be....


might also be an insurance tihng? 'My husband died because you did not perform CPR" he was allready dead 'Are you allowed to make that call"
I dont know, are paramedics allowed to declare someone dead?
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-11-18 14:45:55 UTC
Mudkest wrote:

I dont know, are paramedics allowed to declare someone dead?


No, but doctors are. And they often have paramedics or students with them when they arrive at an emergency.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#23 - 2013-11-18 14:59:42 UTC
Surely naming himself a "ghost rider" will not make him more ethereal whan facing obstacle he will hit at this speed. He will bump from it after the crash as a normal physical object.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-11-18 16:56:44 UTC
Mudkest wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:


That's actually quite common practice.
Once the patient has been declared dead and the CPR-attempts are discontinued, any present med students or trainees are allowed to continue just a little longer to get some more practical CPR experience, since real human bodies are still vastly different from the mannequins used for training.
The patients are officially dead by that time, so really the worst thing that could happen would be that the student somehow successfully revives the patient, unlikely as it may be....


might also be an insurance tihng? 'My husband died because you did not perform CPR" he was allready dead 'Are you allowed to make that call"
I dont know, are paramedics allowed to declare someone dead?


In the uk yes.
fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-11-18 17:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
Blue Binary wrote:
A guy calling himself Ghost Rider (Patrick Fürstenhoff???) doing high speed runs on public roads around Stockholm. The skill involved in reading the road that far ahead at speeds of 190mph and being in full control of the bike just blew me away.

Yes he's breaking the law, but seriously, he's a rare breed to be capable of doing that shit.

  • Ghost Rider - Stockholm Run part 1,
  • Ghost Rider - Stockholm Run part 2,
  • Ghost Rider - Full video.


    • watch all the videos in particular when he goes inbetween 2 lorries, they are a little too far apart to be natural, that's my opinion anyway. can't stage it all but with radios and good comunication you can make it a little safer. also pretty sure there are 3 different riders between ghostrider 1 and 5. there are even more crazy videos out there in particular one where a bike and a porche are racing around the peripherique in paris and having ridden that road i can tell you that there is no way in hell you could stage that vid on that road. sorry i forget the name of it.

    look put for the one where he slows down and waits for the cops:P
    Mizhir
    Devara Biotech
    #26 - 2013-11-18 17:22:14 UTC
    Mudkest wrote:
    Zimmy Zeta wrote:


    That's actually quite common practice.
    Once the patient has been declared dead and the CPR-attempts are discontinued, any present med students or trainees are allowed to continue just a little longer to get some more practical CPR experience, since real human bodies are still vastly different from the mannequins used for training.
    The patients are officially dead by that time, so really the worst thing that could happen would be that the student somehow successfully revives the patient, unlikely as it may be....


    might also be an insurance tihng? 'My husband died because you did not perform CPR" he was allready dead 'Are you allowed to make that call"
    I dont know, are paramedics allowed to declare someone dead?


    There are some rules about declaring someone dead. And as long as the person aint declared dead, then the paramedics have to keep on with CPR. So that will sometimes make some absurb situations as Ish wrote.

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    fuer0n
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #27 - 2013-11-18 17:39:41 UTC
    Rain6637 wrote:
    reminds me of an accident last year, would rather not say my affiliation with them, where the motorcycle was moving so fast that it flipped the minivan it T-boned


    yeah this is why speeds like this shouldnt be ridden on the roads. a bike is nothing more than a missile at them speeds and will obliterate a car and all the occupants. ive seen it happen where a car pulled into a turing lane totally ok and was hit from the front by a bike. the rider hit the engine but it still drove it into the cab of the car.

    sometimes you can bully oncomming trafic out of the way to make enough room but sometimes you will get an idiot that won't move, watch one of the bus drivers in that first vid X ghostrider was ready for it tho. not sure if advanced drivers like emergency services are taught this any more to be honest.
    fuer0n
    Republic Military School
    Minmatar Republic
    #28 - 2013-11-18 17:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: fuer0n
    baltec1 wrote:
    Mudkest wrote:
    Zimmy Zeta wrote:


    That's actually quite common practice.
    Once the patient has been declared dead and the CPR-attempts are discontinued, any present med students or trainees are allowed to continue just a little longer to get some more practical CPR experience, since real human bodies are still vastly different from the mannequins used for training.
    The patients are officially dead by that time, so really the worst thing that could happen would be that the student somehow successfully revives the patient, unlikely as it may be....


    might also be an insurance tihng? 'My husband died because you did not perform CPR" he was allready dead 'Are you allowed to make that call"
    I dont know, are paramedics allowed to declare someone dead?


    In the uk yes.



    now i didnt know that . you sure?

    the reason i ask is because i know a couple that shouldnt be allowed to work on buchered animals let alone a live person. mind you i can say the same of some nurses.
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #29 - 2013-11-18 19:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
    fuer0n wrote:


    now i didnt know that . you sure?

    the reason i ask is because i know a couple that shouldnt be allowed to work on buchered animals let alone a live person. mind you i can say the same of some nurses.


    Yes I am sure. They will still try to get them to hospital but if they are in a situation where the victim is clearly dead or in a situation where they cannot get them into an ambulance and must try to save them where they are then they can call time.

    Our paramedics are very highly trained, Ambulance technicians cannot make this call I as far as I know.
    Zimmy Zeta
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #30 - 2013-11-18 20:43:02 UTC
    fuer0n wrote:


    the reason i ask is because i know a couple that shouldnt be allowed to work on buchered animals let alone a live person. mind you i can say the same of some nurses.


    The good thing about CPR is that you are , from a strictly technical point of view, not working with living persons anymore.
    Within the last 10 years or so the rules and guidelines for CPR have softened up a lot, since it was finally realized that it cannot possibly get worse than a cardiac arrest, and even a bad first aider is better than none at all.

    I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
    Slade Trillgon
    Brutor Force Federated
    #31 - 2013-11-18 21:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
    LMAO!!! If that guy is ghost rider this guy is LOBO.

    4:00 is spectacular yet negligent.


    EDIT: Well all of it is negligent.
    Synthetic Cultist
    Church of The Crimson Saviour
    #32 - 2013-11-18 22:45:40 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:
    Jandice Ymladris wrote:
    Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
    But, hadn't he died last year? Or it's another Ghost Rider? Question


    It was a copycat apparantly that died, who wanted to imitate that 'stunt'

    Looking at how he drives, he's a danger on the road. Yes he drives well, but how long till he causes an accident with such reckless speeds. Takes just one car who saw him too late (due to high speed!) and boom.


    All you need is a pot hole or a section with spilt diesel and that would be it. He wouldn't even see what killed him.


    In the first video, the rider goes through several red lights. one section, you can see starting at around 5:29. Stopped traffic in both lanes at a red light, he goes through the middle, which has restricted visibility because of the stopped traffic, and the traffic is crossing his path, and would not have seen, or have any reason to be expecting a motorcycle.
    Unsure of the road markings at that bit, it might even have been a pedestrian crossing. here's a pic

    In a different bit, he is approaching a truck on the truck's left, now the truck driver might have seen them coming, and nudged over to the right, to give them room to pass on the left.
    Except he doesn't pass on the left, he goes and passes on the right.

    Even a section of tunnel, which means low visibility of road surface, where there are lanes closed and coned off for roadworks, could even be a loose surface due to roadworks. Traffic is switching lanes, and the guy on the bike is weaving in and out.

    Can handle the machine, sure, but on a public road, everyone has the duty to not endanger other road users.

    Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

    It is Written.
    Synthetic Cultist
    Church of The Crimson Saviour
    #33 - 2013-11-18 23:04:01 UTC
    Mudkest wrote:
    Mizhir wrote:

    He is also what we in the medical world call an organ donor.

    if he crashes at those speeds, will tehre be anything left/usable for donation?


    A lot of the time, no.

    what happens in a lot of incidents, and is often the cause of death are things like:

    First, the rider hits the tarmac.
    a few milliseconds later, the rider's internal organs slam against their skeleton or inside of their skin, hard enough to damage them.

    e.g. the heart slams against the inside of the ribcage, often with sufficient force to tear a bunch of arteries. There's nothing that can be done, that's it.

    so, a lot of the time for high speed incidents, the organs wouldn't be in any fit state for donation, due to bruising or other damage.

    In some cases, the rider's leathers are the only thing keeping the body in the shape of a person.

    It's grim stuff.

    Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

    It is Written.
    Sethra Levode
    Castle Black Inc.
    #34 - 2013-11-19 12:32:52 UTC
    Slade Trillgon wrote:
    LMAO!!! If that guy is ghost rider this guy is LOBO.

    4:00 is spectacular yet negligent.


    EDIT: Well all of it is negligent.


    Shocked

    That guy is insane! The translation of the Russian title in the caption under the video rings very true....but it would be wise not to endanger others with your adrenaline junkiness.
    Blue Binary
    Polychoron
    #35 - 2013-11-24 23:25:55 UTC
    It seems the motive for doing what he did was to gain some fame, rightly or wrongly, and to monetise his adventure. A DVD was produced and sold (I won't link it). Cameras were placed in strategic places to film him doing his stunts, he was given challenges to do and he wound up the police, all in the name of entertainment.

    The earlier productions from 2002 weren't without incident. He crashed after sliding on oil/diesel and, while being chased by the police, he nearly caused an accident.

    Just to lighten the thread a wee bit, Ghost Rider was finally captured by the police.Blink
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