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covert cyno's in highsec
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Violet Winters
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-11-17 14:34:59 UTC
Dasola wrote:
bringrainfire wrote:
If you ask me - it needs to be done.

as far as I know capital class ships cant use the covert cyno anyways, only covert ships. would be nice to light a covert cyno and blops my crane alt into jita, or wardec some one and blops some bombers on them. or even cloaky t-3's.



You do realize you cant launch bombs in high-sec? So bomber attack in high-sec is pretty useless, torpedoes do next to nothing damage to small ships..


Implying all of Highsec is "Small Ships".

CEO - Anglic Eclipse.
Asa Shahni
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#42 - 2013-11-17 16:47:54 UTC
-32 !

High sec wars dont need this .

I cant see how jumping a bomber fleet or a blops fleet on missioners and miners will add to this (allready broken) kind of "gameplay".

If you want to hot drop with bombers just join bombers bar's fleets (or an alliance that do that kind of thing)

Lastly , risk free logistic will get you pregnant dont try that :O
Zircon Dasher
#43 - 2013-11-17 16:58:38 UTC
Add 15min suspect timer and a 5min dock/jump timer for anyone who lights or jumps to a covert cyno.

Allow "neutrals" to both facilitate and provide consequences for actions!

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Asa Shahni
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#44 - 2013-11-17 17:11:38 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Add 15min suspect timer and a 5min dock/jump timer for anyone who lights or jumps to a covert cyno.

Allow "neutrals" to both facilitate and provide consequences for actions!



they all have cloaks so if **** hits the fan and they bring more they just bail and cloak ...who needs to dock or jump a gate since its not the first ting you will do after you de-agro (1min timer) anyway
Zircon Dasher
#45 - 2013-11-17 17:32:50 UTC
Asa Shahni wrote:
they all have cloaks so if **** hits the fan and they bring more they just bail and cloak ...who needs to dock or jump a gate since its not the first ting you will do after you de-agro (1min timer) anyway


Of course they have the ability to bug out if the situation is too sketchy. Nothing wrong with that. The suspect timer would just let traps be set for the overeager.

If you want to avoid being an open target for any tom,richard, and harry then you need to wait out the timer.

The dock/jump timer just adds a few min for when you want to jump into the adjacent system and to add a layer of time to the cyno-->blap-->ohshit tackled+blob-->dock procedure.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Asa Shahni
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#46 - 2013-11-17 18:42:29 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Asa Shahni wrote:
they all have cloaks so if **** hits the fan and they bring more they just bail and cloak ...who needs to dock or jump a gate since its not the first ting you will do after you de-agro (1min timer) anyway


Of course they have the ability to bug out if the situation is too sketchy. Nothing wrong with that. The suspect timer would just let traps be set for the overeager.

If you want to avoid being an open target for any tom,richard, and harry then you need to wait out the timer.

The dock/jump timer just adds a few min for when you want to jump into the adjacent system and to add a layer of time to the cyno-->blap-->ohshit tackled+blob-->dock procedure.


I still dont see how this could "balance" such a thing.

Like i said they will fight , warp out , cloak and wait for the timer its gonna become a routine : jump - fight - cloak - wait repeat

Its overpower for high sec wars not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec
Rammix
TheMurk
#47 - 2013-11-18 12:14:18 UTC
Asa Shahni wrote:
-32 !

High sec wars dont need this .

I cant see how jumping a bomber fleet or a blops fleet on missioners and miners will add to this (allready broken) kind of "gameplay".

If you want to hot drop with bombers just join bombers bar's fleets (or an alliance that do that kind of thing)

Lastly , risk free logistic will get you pregnant dont try that :O

+2560!

They need it.

What the heck for you're mentioning bombers as if they were the only covert ships. T3, recons, stratios, astero.

BTW, there is no formulated objection in your post.

I don't know why all this suffering comes to this theme. Cynos CAN NOT BE LIT in anomalies with gates. While most of anomalies have gates.

Those who are so afraid of everything should learn to use d-scan. Nobody will drop on you without scanning you down with probes. So just use d-scan.
If you're afraid of being hotdropped on gates and stations - it's practically the same death as without hotdrops.

Highsec warfare doesn't mean only killing carebears, it's also escalated wars like carebear+mercs VS other mercs. Counter-hotdrops, traps, counter-counter hotdrops, again traps - will add fun and diversity to highsec.

Asa Shahni wrote:
Like i said they will fight , warp out , cloak and wait for the timer its gonna become a routine : jump - fight - cloak - wait repeat

It's not a problem at all. Read above.
And someone has already suggested to allow people in war to jump - in highsec - to corp/alliance covcynos Only.

Asa Shahni wrote:

not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec

Seems you don't know that most ships in eve are not covert.
I'll reveal a big secret for you: those who want to get to the Empire space from null using covcynos - do that very safely through lowsec, the risk is close to 0%.

OpenSUSE Leap 42.1, wine >1.9

Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread
Mascha Tzash
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-11-18 12:39:26 UTC
I would rather kill the intel power of local and disallow all cynos in all secs of space.
Rammix
TheMurk
#49 - 2013-11-18 13:21:22 UTC
Mascha Tzash wrote:
I would rather kill the intel power of local and disallow all cynos in all secs of space.

I'd rather nerf local (put delays) and disallow all cynos except covert ones. RollLol The first part is serious.

OpenSUSE Leap 42.1, wine >1.9

Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-11-18 13:57:00 UTC
As hilarious as it would be, blops logistics would become completely risk-free. So no.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Asa Shahni
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#51 - 2013-11-18 15:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Asa Shahni
Rammix wrote:
Asa Shahni wrote:
-32 !

High sec wars dont need this .

I cant see how jumping a bomber fleet or a blops fleet on missioners and miners will add to this (allready broken) kind of "gameplay".

If you want to hot drop with bombers just join bombers bar's fleets (or an alliance that do that kind of thing)

Lastly , risk free logistic will get you pregnant dont try that :O

+2560!

They need it.

What the heck for you're mentioning bombers as if they were the only covert ships. T3, recons, stratios, astero.

BTW, there is no formulated objection in your post.

I don't know why all this suffering comes to this theme. Cynos CAN NOT BE LIT in anomalies with gates. While most of anomalies have gates.

Those who are so afraid of everything should learn to use d-scan. Nobody will drop on you without scanning you down with probes. So just use d-scan.
If you're afraid of being hotdropped on gates and stations - it's practically the same death as without hotdrops.

Highsec warfare doesn't mean only killing carebears, it's also escalated wars like carebear+mercs VS other mercs. Counter-hotdrops, traps, counter-counter hotdrops, again traps - will add fun and diversity to highsec.

Asa Shahni wrote:
Like i said they will fight , warp out , cloak and wait for the timer its gonna become a routine : jump - fight - cloak - wait repeat

It's not a problem at all. Read above.
And someone has already suggested to allow people in war to jump - in highsec - to corp/alliance covcynos Only.

Asa Shahni wrote:

not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec

Seems you don't know that most ships in eve are not covert.
I'll reveal a big secret for you: those who want to get to the Empire space from null using covcynos - do that very safely through lowsec, the risk is close to 0%.


your right its not just killing carebears , theres also carebears killing other carebears for indus slot and asteroid belts
seriously i dont think high sec need the capability of bridging t3 or blops BS fleets and ccp should not implement something like that so you guys can use that shiny stuff without (real) risk like in low/null

being part of an alliance with CYN0 as ticker i must be very scared of being hot dropped Lol
before you say things like that you should inform yourself on the person ...that was just a lazy assumption on your part
Rammix
TheMurk
#52 - 2013-11-19 19:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rammix
Trii Seo wrote:
As hilarious as it would be, blops logistics would become completely risk-free. So no.

I don't know how you read posts..
Blops logistics are already risk-free when done in a sane way. Jump to a safespot in a lowsec with highsec connection and it's done.

Asa Shahni wrote:
Rammix wrote:

+2560!

They need it.

What the heck for you're mentioning bombers as if they were the only covert ships. T3, recons, stratios, astero.

BTW, there is no formulated objection in your post.

I don't know why all this suffering comes to this theme. Cynos CAN NOT BE LIT in anomalies with gates. While most of anomalies have gates.

Those who are so afraid of everything should learn to use d-scan. Nobody will drop on you without scanning you down with probes. So just use d-scan.
If you're afraid of being hotdropped on gates and stations - it's practically the same death as without hotdrops.

Highsec warfare doesn't mean only killing carebears, it's also escalated wars like carebear+mercs VS other mercs. Counter-hotdrops, traps, counter-counter hotdrops, again traps - will add fun and diversity to highsec.

Asa Shahni wrote:

not to mention the "safe" travel from blue null sec to high sec

Seems you don't know that most ships in eve are not covert.
I'll reveal a big secret for you: those who want to get to the Empire space from null using covcynos - do that very safely through lowsec, the risk is close to 0%.


your right its not just killing carebears , theres also carebears killing other carebears for indus slot and asteroid belts
seriously i dont think high sec need the capability of bridging t3 or blops BS fleets and ccp should not implement something like that so you guys can use that shiny stuff without (real) risk like in low/null

being part of an alliance with CYN0 as ticker i must be very scared of being hot dropped Lol
before you say things like that you should inform yourself on the person ...that was just a lazy assumption on your part

About risk in low/null read above.

About ticker etc. If you know how safe can be a travel on covert ships from any null to highsec then I don't understand your sarcasm ('"safe" travel' in you post).
With "(real) risk" you mean counter-hotdrops with normal cynos? Don't you think that there should be places where covcynos can be lit for small-scale pvp but capitals can't interfere?

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Covert cyno in highsec: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296129&find=unread
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