Player Features and Ideas Discussion

-1. Idiotic idea.

I am joining this conversation late. However I am a proponent of not only doing away with learning implants, but attributes and remaps also. This would mean that every character would train at 2700SP/hr from birth which would be deposited in to a SP pool that is capped at some finite number (around 1-3 mil SP ). To gain skills you would apply SP directly from the pool. This would also mean no more training queues.

There are several very nice positives to this situations:
1. No more remaps. No more attributes. Which means you can train what you want, when you want to train it, without having to worry about it not being optimal.
2. This system is very easy to understand. There is really no way for a noob to screw it up. Unlike trying to get them to understand training plans, certain skills need certain remaps, to competently fly a ship you need skills from a lot of different attributes, how often they get remaps, etc. Keeps it simple.
3. Those of us that are in the military and deploy, go on business trips or vacations, computer crashed, or for some other reason Eve isn't really available don't have to worry about switching skills as there is no more training queue and the SP goes in to a pool.
4. If the server is DDoSed you don't have a bunch of idiots trying to claim that CCP owes them SP as they keep training.
5. No more noobs fearful of losing their +3 learning implants in nullsec PvP. I know it seems petty, but it makes a difference.
6. Attributes do add choices and consequences to Eve. There is no denying that. However, those are not meaningful choices. A meaningful choices matters a great deal in your enjoyment in the game. The choice to fit a scram or a point on your frigate is meaningful. With one choice you get a kill. With the other you die. The choice to train optimally or not is, as our wonderful OP posted, benefiting those who don't really play Eve instead of those that do. The choice to enjoy the game or stay docked up safe so you can train faster should never have been a choice presented to the player. Remove it and I assure you Eve will be better for it.

Edit: Forgot to +1.

Dont touch remaps. Eve is about planning.

It's just as I thought it would be. The conversation has followed the logical progression from "remove learning implants" to "remove attributes completely and make everyone train all skills at the same speed forever." Assuming such a change is implemented, how long will it be before someone comes onto the forums wishing for a way to specialize their training speed for ships or for trade skills and someone else suggests what basically amounts to attributes, thus putting us right back where we are now?

All of this because some risk-averse PvPers want to min/max their training all the time no matter what and don't want to make compromises and choices in a game that's all about those exact things.

Compromises and choices. Make them, live with them, or get the hell out.

You disgust me. All of you. Dumbing-down-EVE carebear nonsense. It's pathetic.

That is called trade off. And that is exaclty upon what whole eve is made.

Nothing wrong with that!!!

And implants bennefit the veterans the LESS. Most players over 100M sp dont use implants anymore since they can already fly almost anything.

Implants only prevent peopel fromgoign 0.0. Low sec and high sec is VERY VERY hard to loose implants, so it should not be an excuse.


Want to promote more pvp for noobs? Make pod auto warp 200 km when your ship dies.

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But surely the whole point of EVE is that is about choice - you can choose to be efficient (as you put it) or choose not to. What you are proposing is to remove choice and reduce everyone to your style of play. Not a good idea really.

but the the funny thing is no one seems to have an issue with switching out hardwire clones if too expensive. Its the same idea for attribute implants. If you don't take out the snakes on a bash bs/meatgrinder op and don't mind the swap going to the +3 attribute clone shouldn't matter either.

Or you can just run +3's. Not sure why the bitter vet hate in the thread....many of them got to their sp level running plain ole +3's. It was bitters when in 0.0 who showed me the way of 2 +3's for the skill I am training in fact. Why blow isk on 2 implants not doing a damn thing when podded.

Also not seeing the empire bear hate either. I like many in empire run set implants. We run +3 all the time. Isk/hour > sp/hour and for the average bear the gains are in the hg bonuses ( I know for me some outstanding level 5's are nothing worth rushing to by blowing lots of isk on).

This is a really good point, Dangerously good really =)

Its a PRICE you pay. Is that ammount of isk worht more or less then the trainign time for you? SImple as that!!!


You cannot take the +5 trianign time as somethign granted. That is the extra you bought, not the othert way around.

If this suggestion rests solely on what you say then there is no point in it. People who want to pvp go and try it regardless, people who do not want just make excuses.

Today it's implants that preventing you, tomorrow it's clone costs, on thursdays it's bad remaps, on fridays it T3 sp loss, on sundays it ship costs. Don't make excuses and do what you really want to do.

btw. what about T3 sp loss?