EVE General Discussion

Few important things people need to understand:

- There's nothing you can do to mining mechanics that would stop botting, you can slow them down, you can make it more difficult, you can make it less effective but you CANNOT stop it. No level of interactivity, quick-time style stuff would stop them.

- It's a bad development decision to make a change to a game that has a negative impact on the good players, for the sake of punishing/preventing the bad players.

- No one really wants a quick-time style event, some people may think they do, but once you've done it for the 100th time you'll realise you were wrong

Um have you seen skill training?

I get rewarded for being OFFLINE (can't lose implants if you're logged off!)

How about turning mining times around - instead of the process of mining taking a long time, have the process of re-processing take a long time.

Turn mining lasers into mining 'cutters'. Use crystals as the driver for cutting efficiency - so don't cut veldspar with scordite crystals. Make cutting take some amount of time, but somewhere in the region of minutes, not hours. Can depend on asteroid size, density (ore type), player skills, mining foreman bonuses, etc. So you can cut through a really small asteroid in a cycle or two, and the monster ones more like 15-30 minutes (multiple cuts required).

Mining foreman bonuses and gang links are altered to affect the cutting cycle time, range and cap. use, as now with mining lasers.

Now have the mining ships tractor up the ore 'bricks'. Think of all those sci-fi films where ships open a large compartment and take in smaller ships/satellites etc. Or perhaps a huge bomb-bay door type affair. Whatever. Anyway, the size of the ship determines the size of the 'brick' that can be tractored in, so you still have a role for all the mining speciality ships - frigates, cruisers, mining barges and exhumers (sorry Chribba, no veldnaughts here).

The tractoring phase can be another operation that takes some time, to allow for gankers to do their thing - ship opens, tractor tractors (sloooowly), ship closes. So gankers can now gank when miners are cutting or tractoring. But allow the mining ship to still warp off and abort this operation - this isn't siege mode.

Once a brick is consumed in this way it becomes a regular cargo hold item. Mining teams can pass them over to an Hauler/Orca/Rorqual, or just return to station with full cargo hold.

The bricks are taken to the re-processing plant, where they can be broken down and re-processed into minerals. Think manufacturing type scenario - schedule and wait. The key thing here is that re-processing takes the same amount of time as it currently takes to mine those minerals. That way the market isn't affected as mining as a whole takes the same amount of time to introduce minerals to the market.

Also, as mining lasers are now real, destructive rays, i.e. lazors!!!, miners who tank their ships are able to fight back or attack belt rats :)

Now mining isn't so time consuming anymore, so more people or more likely to put in an hour or so, but still has a sit-still-at-an-asteroid-belt period for the gankers to take advantage of. Grab a couple of bricks in the morning, then go out for pew-pew in the afternoon while the ore re-processes.

It is hard to argue when the animation and mining sound were broken for awhile, hell they may still be borked.

My goodness, stop saying the same old stuff around and around and around, gets boring and nothing changes if you didn't noticed it.

Whenever you know someone is boting in your corp, petition about it to CCP, it's free, no one will know who did it if you're afraid of but you'll help this game to become better.

Do it for your alliance bots, please if you like this game at least a little, do it. Your single petition is a little step, once a lot, many, thousands of those are done, your game will become better.

Petitioning IS anonymous, petition about mining bots, about rating bots, all are anonymous you risk 0 in the process, but you have a lot to win the less they are.


Just do it, just shut up and fracking do it !!

Look at SISI...
they changed a little reprocessing value of alloys...
little less hi-ends... and much more low ends...
so... they decided to kill hi-sec mining completely and this will not help low/0.0...
and what i know about CCP... one time they do a little tweak that is fixed... and they will get back to it soonTM (never)