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Goodbye Brackets?
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BadSeamus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-11-13 11:10:36 UTC
They did this in one of the earlier sisi builds I think and dropped it. I remember maybe a year ago? 18 months? When they were messing with the overview and we had all those overview bugs (ugh remember them!?) As far as I recall it was just the overview that had new icons for ship classes. Don't remember why it got dropped - because they wanted to "do it properly" comes to mind... but its all hazy.

Of course, I could be tripping, but my memory is usually pretty good on this stuff.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-11-13 11:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Before committing to any changes, I would like the icons to be developed to be more specific. The ISIS icons are pretty much as useless for ship identification as the current ones.

I see a "cruiser". But is it a combat cruiser? Is it a recon? Is it a hictor? Is it a logistic ship? Is it a TIII cruiser? All of these are fundamentally different ship classes, yet they share the same icon.
Omega Tron
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#23 - 2013-11-13 13:18:12 UTC
YES! +1
This is just to good an idea, but then again CCP has an excellent record of ignoring good ideas from players. But I always have hope that they will one day be different.

CCP's sand box is EVE Online.  The sand is owned by CCP.  We pay them a monthly fee to throw the sand at each other.  That is all that is here, so move along. Nothing more to be seen.
Radhe Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-11-13 13:39:39 UTC
so you want to change the current white square bracket with ship icon bracket.
And how will we make a difference between a falcon, blackbird and rook (same for other t2 hulls)? In this case u still have to scroll through overview becasue they will all have same icon since its the same hull.

And i agree i love this idea aswell.
Viera Lynn
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-11-13 20:27:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Viera Lynn
the new system will tell you at a glance the ship type, right now there is still no difference between a falcon bracket and a caracal bracket, but at least you will be able to tell between a battleship and a cruiser without any guesswork. if you really need to see the ship type you can still check the overview or just zoom in on that particular ship.

unless a specific ship icon was added for every single ship in the game, which i dont think is really necessary?
Oberine Noriepa
#26 - 2013-11-16 16:17:25 UTC
This could use some more exposure.

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Imadude Ortii
Sandy Hay Inc.
#27 - 2013-11-16 23:30:29 UTC
I like the idea. +1
Octoven
Stellar Production
#28 - 2013-11-17 03:33:17 UTC
+1 lol I started a thread about this and left the starting process page up while I fooled with Ps haha didnt know one went up in the interm. I love this idea and would like to see it introduced.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#29 - 2013-11-17 03:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Octoven
Viera Lynn wrote:
the new system will tell you at a glance the ship type, right now there is still no difference between a falcon bracket and a caracal bracket, but at least you will be able to tell between a battleship and a cruiser without any guesswork. if you really need to see the ship type you can still check the overview or just zoom in on that particular ship.

unless a specific ship icon was added for every single ship in the game, which i dont think is really necessary?


I have often had issues with determining if a ship is a battlecruiser or cruiser....or cruiser or destroyer. I know you can just read Type, but it would be nice to have just a glancing look at the overview. I tend to look at icons first because for me an icon gives faster visual information than words do.

As a side note, in case anyone missed the thread I accidentally started concerning this idea, here is a rough glimpse of this idea...such a sexy overview :P

ISIS Overview
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#30 - 2013-11-17 22:33:22 UTC
Just fix the size of the red crosses. Adding different icons for each ship class is just going to over complicate it and probably add load to the server and client.

So that's a NO (-1) from me

... What next ??
Samantha Seraya
Tech Builds
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-11-17 23:04:26 UTC
+1
Devlin Shardo
Phoenix Connection
OnlyFleets.
#32 - 2013-11-17 23:45:30 UTC
Viera Lynn wrote:
I hijacked an old features pic and 2 mins to edit here is a rough draft of what it could look like



ideally the icon would face the same as the ship also giving you info on direction it is heading instead of just a static box.
Think sins of solar a empire

+1
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#33 - 2013-11-17 23:58:25 UTC
GordonO wrote:
Just fix the size of the red crosses. Adding different icons for each ship class is just going to over complicate it and probably add load to the server and client.

So that's a NO (-1) from me

What red crosses have to do with displaying player ships in overview? Also game already has brackets of different size for different ship types so there is no overcomplication or any increase of load on server or client of any sort (server load is completely irrelevant in this matter).

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#34 - 2013-11-18 03:36:36 UTC
BadSeamus wrote:
They did this in one of the earlier sisi builds I think and dropped it. I remember maybe a year ago? 18 months? When they were messing with the overview and we had all those overview bugs (ugh remember them!?) As far as I recall it was just the overview that had new icons for ship classes. Don't remember why it got dropped - because they wanted to "do it properly" comes to mind... but its all hazy.

Of course, I could be tripping, but my memory is usually pretty good on this stuff.


Nope, I remember it too. I think it was right around when they were trying some new neocom stuff and drop that and the old "new" ship icons. I believe they got far enough to make separate icons (for npc's only I think) to discern between frigs/dessies and BCs/BSs.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#35 - 2013-11-18 04:37:03 UTC
Radhe Amatin wrote:
so you want to change the current white square bracket with ship icon bracket.
And how will we make a difference between a falcon, blackbird and rook (same for other t2 hulls)? In this case u still have to scroll through overview because they will all have same icon since its the same hull.

And i agree i love this idea as well.

Why should we be able to tell at a glance the difference between a Falcon, Blackbird & Rook?
We could do with less information.
Deep Scan should only tell us that it's a 'Cruiser class ship'

We have all watched space movies. Where they detect 'something at maximum range' then as it closes they slowly refine the details on what kind of ship it must be. And the last thing they find out is who is flying it, normally from a visual identification or radio hail.
Instead in EVE, the second they enter the system we know who the pilot is. And the second they are in deep scan range we know their exact ship class & what name they have given it.

Where is the fuzzyness of information, where is the mystery, where is the discovery, the trepidation at not knowing exactly what is heading your way?
SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#36 - 2013-11-18 08:03:00 UTC
The Devs are aware of the whole thing already

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2261932#post2261932

It's going to come, the thing they did with the SIS was to introduce the symbols so that next expansion not everyone is freaking out when they show up as they usually do when "totally unexpected" things happen in the game.
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