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Suicide ganking - too much - solution

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#101 - 2013-11-17 18:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
J3ssica Alba wrote:
if a 75 m mod gets you ganked and is considered an expensive mod then the gankers must be really poor and to be so poor in Eve means you fail at the game.

Context is important.

ShahFluffers wrote:
Navy EANMs are 75 mil a pop. With the [relatively] small tank on an ECM-Tengu...


Those two Navy EANMs would not have gained much attention had the Tengu been tankier than it was or simply not been there in the first place (who the hell calls the use of Navy EANMs a "standard fit" except super rich people?) or the ship not been auto-piloted.

How did you Veterans start?
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#102 - 2013-11-17 19:17:20 UTC
Guess Im losing perspective on what is considered bling in high and null sec these days.... To me navy stuff is standard, not much better then t2...

Lol you should see the actual bling major wormhole corps use on their gank ships :) Not uncommon to see low-end officer fits on baals and machs in some set-piece fights or eviction sieges. Most gank dreads and triage carriers are also officer-fit.

Just to give you an idea: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20502977

And its like that every day.

But whatever, lesson learned. High sec scrubs so broke they go mere hint of green faction colors. Now I think I will go wallow in my isk - my POS is shaped like Scrooge McDuck's giant safehouse, with dollar signs on it and all :)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#103 - 2013-11-17 20:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Mashie Saldana wrote:
How much does it cost to go from -5 to 0 using Concord tags?


From -5 to 0 I haven't done, but from -2 to 0, buying the tags in Jita and then paying at the Security Office a few jumps away, it was about 250 million ISK last week.

It's not cheap to buy back sec status, but it's not necessary either for the gankers. They can work effectively in highsec with even -10 sec status.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#104 - 2013-11-17 20:35:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:


But whatever, lesson learned.



Learning not to post stupid **** in GD is indeed a valuable lesson.
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2013-11-17 20:51:58 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Guess Im losing perspective on what is considered bling in high and null sec these days.... To me navy stuff is standard, not much better then t2...

Lol you should see the actual bling major wormhole corps use on their gank ships :) Not uncommon to see low-end officer fits on baals and machs in some set-piece fights or eviction sieges. Most gank dreads and triage carriers are also officer-fit.

Just to give you an idea: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20502977

And its like that every day.

But whatever, lesson learned. High sec scrubs so broke they go mere hint of green faction colors. Now I think I will go wallow in my isk - my POS is shaped like Scrooge McDuck's giant safehouse, with dollar signs on it and all :)



And here we see what it comes down too....

"Look at me I am a wormhole space carebear I am rich and you are just all poor scrubs, I make billions of ISK, yet when i lose a ship i come to the forums and whine about it!"
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2013-11-17 21:36:41 UTC
Uma D wrote:

And here we see what it comes down too....

"Look at me I am a wormhole space carebear I am rich and you are just all poor scrubs, I make billions of ISK, yet when i lose a ship i come to the forums and whine about it!"



Which makes OP's bio even funnier:

Quote:
You're off the edge of the map here boy. There be pirates here, with teeth as long as an arm. You'd best start running.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#107 - 2013-11-17 21:42:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Guess Im losing perspective on what is considered bling in high and null sec these days.... To me navy stuff is standard, not much better then t2...

Lol you should see the actual bling major wormhole corps use on their gank ships :) Not uncommon to see low-end officer fits on baals and machs in some set-piece fights or eviction sieges. Most gank dreads and triage carriers are also officer-fit.

Just to give you an idea: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20502977

And its like that every day.

But whatever, lesson learned. High sec scrubs so broke they go mere hint of green faction colors. Now I think I will go wallow in my isk - my POS is shaped like Scrooge McDuck's giant safehouse, with dollar signs on it and all :)




Maybe they blew you up because you were APing ^^

People get blown up in empty ships purely because they were APing.... Of all the groups in Eve, aren't WH dwellers the ones who are most fond of saying how Eve is dangerous?

Fluffy Bunny Pic!

Col Zero
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2013-11-17 21:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Col Zero
http://deadterrorists.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20252633 (dont click it, copy and paste into browser)

You were AFK auto piloting in a T3 with 2 Imperial Navy EANM's. Nuff said

Your 650mil ish tengu for 25 mil ish worth of cat's (redo your math) + your tears. Lol
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#109 - 2013-11-17 21:56:39 UTC
kermity wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.

Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.

The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.

I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.

Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?

Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.

Solution.

Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:

Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.

So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.

Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.

This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.


Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.


I'm thinking the same thing.

AUTOPILOT is a bad word. Gankers rarely catch you if you aren't autopiloting. Play the fecking game adn you won't die.
Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-11-17 22:03:28 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Guess Im losing perspective on what is considered bling in high and null sec these days.... To me navy stuff is standard, not much better then t2...

Lol you should see the actual bling major wormhole corps use on their gank ships :) Not uncommon to see low-end officer fits on baals and machs in some set-piece fights or eviction sieges. Most gank dreads and triage carriers are also officer-fit.

Just to give you an idea: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20502977

And its like that every day.

But whatever, lesson learned. High sec scrubs so broke they go mere hint of green faction colors. Now I think I will go wallow in my isk - my POS is shaped like Scrooge McDuck's giant safehouse, with dollar signs on it and all :)


I can't believe you're still embarrassing yourself in this thread. Oh well, at least you can afford to buy a new character with all your mad spacebux and spare yourself continued shame. Of course if you'd rather put your isk to use by autopiloting through hisec, I'm sure that really bitchin name you gave your ship will protect you next time for sure.
larf1986
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#111 - 2013-11-17 22:32:38 UTC
Hello,

I'm glad your still mad about us killing you. Just to confirm i killed you with my main please stop by hagilur and will happily do it again. I even gave you fitting advise too pfttt
Col Zero
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#112 - 2013-11-17 22:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Col Zero
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Sigh, fine I'll move on. Too bad catalyst pilots are long recycled by now. Wish I knew who the main toon was, I would suicide his ass a few dozen times with my own alts, see how he likes it.


I too am Larf
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#113 - 2013-11-18 00:08:12 UTC
Congrats to Dead Terrorists. These are some succulent forum tears. You gentlemen have done a service to the community.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#114 - 2013-11-18 00:11:35 UTC
Well, OP, you got 2 of your attackers stepping up to the plate.

The question is, are you, or are you not all talk?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-11-18 01:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
mmm...hagilur is it...I will stop by sometime. With friends of course. Will watch you dock up in your station and not come out.

MMmm, docking games in low-sec is it? fun!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#116 - 2013-11-18 01:04:58 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
mmm...halidur is it...I will stop by sometime. With friends of course.


Make sure you post the killmail in C&P, that way we know you actually did it and you're not just blowing smoke.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2013-11-18 01:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Anybody else noticing the huge amount of smug this person displays ?

It's like he has no actual life to be proud of,
so he has to rub it into everybody elses face how much
awesome he is in a video game.

By belitteling those who have took something away from you
you pretty much shows that they've hit you right were it actually hurt.


Your ego.


Loser.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#118 - 2013-11-18 01:22:03 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Guess Im losing perspective on what is considered bling in high and null sec these days.... To me navy stuff is standard, not much better then t2...

I think ultimately this is the problem.

You've been away... in a relatively isolated part of the game... where the only things you have to deal with are Sleepers and random incursions from relatively small forces.

I personally never fit faction EANMs unless it is a battleship or carrier as the risk for losing anything smaller is very high (almost routine, in fact). My corp and alliance largely do the same. Most low-sec people follow similar "rules" as well. Hell... unless you are in a capital, almost no one fits an officer mod on anything more than T2 in null-sec.

Risk is all relative.

The problem is when when what you think think is "normal" meets the "normal" for different areas with different rules. That is what happened here.

How did you Veterans start?
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#119 - 2013-11-18 01:23:31 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
That being said, if people didn't fly things that had cargo/fitting worth more than the cost to gank, then they wouldn't be viable targets. The fact that these guys can gank day in, day out and still make a profit, only proves that there are still lots of targets out there more than happy to auto-pilot their expensive cargo's to their doom.
Shocked


If everyone followed that advice there would only be t1 fitted frigs and the economy would shut down completely from lack of supply since haulers wouldn't take their goods to the trade hubs.


Not really. Freighters can carry loads of materials, as long as the value of the cargo is less than the cost it takes to gank it then it's relatively safe. You can still get ganked by someone that doesn't care, or has it in for you, but you can stand proud knowing they didn't make a profit.

Andski wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Gank-bears do what they do for one reason. It's high reward for absolutely zero risk. It's EvE on easy-mode. I find it highly ironic that these sorts of players also bang on and on about highsec, where they are the ones that directly profit from it's existence. Highsec ganking is the ultimate "kitty-online" style of play, and in my opinion it's lack of risk vs reward doesn't match EvE's creed.


as said by everyone who has never actually done suicide ganking


Keep your eyes pealed for Andski's follow up post, in which he explains how highsec ganking isn't EvE on easy-mode. How, in fact, it's extremely difficult to sit at a gate in an expendable ship blowing up targets with high value cargo. Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2013-11-18 01:36:04 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Keep your eyes pealed for Andski's follow up post, in which he explains how highsec ganking isn't EvE on easy-mode. How, in fact, it's extremely difficult to sit at a gate in an expendable ship blowing up targets with high value cargo. Shocked
You're not wrong per se with your opinion about it.

Actually, i agree with you on this and, unlike you, i am/was a suicide ganker,
but my perspective is different, because i don't like playing easy-mode.

I don't understand how other gankers can come up with the bullshit of "risk",
while at the same time having neutral alts scanning ships/creating warp-ins,
while the ganking characters hide in station 99% of the time.


If they, at least, exposed themselves more, so people see they have to deal with
faction police and other players, then there wouldn't even be an argument.

Then nobody would have actual ground for complaining about them having no "risk"
and how suicide ganking is too easy or anything.


But no! Instead, we have the situation we have now and i keep calling them
cowards and losers, because that's how they display themselves,
with lousy, whiny excuses about how the mean faction police or the mean players
prevent them from doing anything ... which is complete bullshit. I can obviously tell.



(i hope i don't agree with you too often. most of the time you're a self-righteous, lying hypocrit)