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Suicide ganking - too much - solution

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Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#81 - 2013-11-17 16:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Gank-bears do what they do for one reason. It's high reward for absolutely zero risk. It's EvE on easy-mode. I find it highly ironic that these sorts of players also bang on and on about highsec, where they are the ones that directly profit from it's existence. Highsec ganking is the ultimate "kitty-online" style of play, and in my opinion it's lack of risk vs reward doesn't match EvE's creed.

That being said, if people didn't fly things that had cargo/fitting worth more than the cost to gank, then they wouldn't be viable targets. The fact that these guys can gank day in, day out and still make a profit, only proves that there are still lots of targets out there more than happy to auto-pilot their expensive cargo's to their doom.

And i completely agree with the lack of consequences, even if CCP tried to make out that it would be the case with the bounty system. Sure, it works now, and can't be abused. But the fact that everyone can be bountied makes it completely worthless. In my opinion, it should be those with low security status, those that flaunt the law of the empires, that should face the potential consequences.

But then, you're just giving gankers a little bit more isk when they're concorded. Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-11-17 16:51:04 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Gank-bears do what they do for one reason. It's high reward for absolutely zero risk. It's EvE on easy-mode. I find it highly ironic that these sorts of players also bang on and on about highsec, where they are the ones that directly profit from it's existence. Highsec ganking is the ultimate "kitty-online" style of play, and in my opinion it's lack of risk vs reward doesn't match EvE's creed.

That being said, if people didn't fly things that had cargo/fitting worth more than the cost to gank, then they wouldn't be viable targets. The fact that these guys can gank day in, day out and still make a profit, only proves that there are still lots of targets out there more than happy to auto-pilot their expensive cargo's to their doom.
If i could opt out of CONCORD in highsec,
without having to be -10 for that ...

... that'd be great.
Janna Sway
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#83 - 2013-11-17 16:51:21 UTC
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting...


Seriously, I had totally forgotten about the auto-pilot feature. I am not joking...
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2013-11-17 16:58:25 UTC
This thread is a gold mine for additional ganking targets and for tear harvesting.

Gankers are servants of the public in New Eden, culling the low hanging fruit like the OP and that is indeed WAI.

Carry on.
Paranoid Loyd
#85 - 2013-11-17 17:11:20 UTC
I couldn't be bothered to play the game because hi sec is supposed to be safe and I lost my ship not playing the game so it is everyone's fault but my own.

Because something happened to me once, it is completely out of control.

Who would gank a fleet ship? A fleet of gank ships, thats who.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#86 - 2013-11-17 17:38:33 UTC
OP: People should have to pay a billion to kill me.


OP Later: I'm rich from wormholes, billions mean nothing to me.


Logic.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2013-11-17 17:39:57 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
kermity wrote:


Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.



TEST? You guys still exist? I dont much pay attention to null-bears, all you are to me are ship scan results on my tackle boat's combat probes...And a few seconds later, a cloud of wreckage.


Oh look, someone who brags about killing AFK ratters in nullsec cries about getting killed AFK autopiloting in highsec. I don't think I can tank that much irony.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#88 - 2013-11-17 17:46:03 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
kermity wrote:


Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.



TEST? You guys still exist? I dont much pay attention to null-bears, all you are to me are ship scan results on my tackle boat's combat probes...And a few seconds later, a cloud of wreckage.


Oh look, someone who brags about killing AFK ratters in nullsec cries about getting killed AFK autopiloting in highsec. I don't think I can tank that much irony.


I have this A-type Irony Hardener I can sell you, I'll just put it in a shuttle and AFK autopilot it over to you.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-11-17 17:48:02 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

I have this A-type Irony Hardener I can sell you, I'll just put it in a shuttle and AFK autopilot it over to you.



*logs in destroyer and locator alts*

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#90 - 2013-11-17 17:51:20 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

I have this A-type Irony Hardener I can sell you, I'll just put it in a shuttle and AFK autopilot it over to you.



*logs in destroyer and locator alts*


I think not, it's worth 50 jillion trillion ISK so if you don't use 7000 titans to kill my shuttle then you're basically cheating and breaking the law and a criminal and will go to prison with large sexually adventurous men who don't take no for an answer.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-11-17 17:53:45 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.


Quote:
auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano


Quote:
auto-piloting... navy adaptive nano


Found your problems.

Navy EANMs are 75 mil a pop. With the [relatively] small tank on an ECM-Tengu it would theoretically be profitable. Auto-piloting would not help as people would be able to easily scout you ahead of time.



if a 75 m mod gets you ganked and is considered an expensive mod then the gankers must be really poor and to be so poor in Eve means you fail at the game. 
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Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2013-11-17 17:57:01 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.


Quote:
auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano


Quote:
auto-piloting... navy adaptive nano


Found your problems.

Navy EANMs are 75 mil a pop. With the [relatively] small tank on an ECM-Tengu it would theoretically be profitable. Auto-piloting would not help as people would be able to easily scout you ahead of time.



if a 75 m mod gets you ganked and is considered an expensive mod then the gankers must be really poor and to be so poor in Eve means you fail at the game.


Because fun in eve can be meassured by the amount of ISK you have in your wallet right?
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-11-17 18:04:11 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:



if a 75 m mod gets you ganked and is considered an expensive mod then the gankers must be really poor and to be so poor in Eve means you fail at the game.


^^THIS.

All my tears aside, getting ganked for a 75mil mod is a WTF??!! moment.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-11-17 18:04:55 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
That being said, if people didn't fly things that had cargo/fitting worth more than the cost to gank, then they wouldn't be viable targets. The fact that these guys can gank day in, day out and still make a profit, only proves that there are still lots of targets out there more than happy to auto-pilot their expensive cargo's to their doom.
Shocked


If everyone followed that advice there would only be t1 fitted frigs and the economy would shut down completely from lack of supply since haulers wouldn't take their goods to the trade hubs.
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kermity
Japanese Whaling Fleet
#95 - 2013-11-17 18:11:25 UTC
Such skill.
.........................................No regrets
.................. much gank
............................................................. Such Tank
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2013-11-17 18:12:09 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Gank-bears do what they do for one reason. It's high reward for absolutely zero risk. It's EvE on easy-mode. I find it highly ironic that these sorts of players also bang on and on about highsec, where they are the ones that directly profit from it's existence. Highsec ganking is the ultimate "kitty-online" style of play, and in my opinion it's lack of risk vs reward doesn't match EvE's creed.


as said by everyone who has never actually done suicide ganking

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Good Apollo BS4
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-11-17 18:15:07 UTC
Uma D wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Quote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.


[quote]auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano




if a 75 m mod gets you ganked and is considered an expensive mod then the gankers must be really poor and to be so poor in Eve means you fail at the game.


Because fun in eve can be meassured by the amount of ISK you have in your wallet right?


Agree with your sentiment but isk=ships, ships = blow things up or get blown ( wait that sounds weird oh well); <= fun, therefore isk = fun... More isk, more fun :)

Sitting on billions and not using it on ships and things would be not fun. You can't Scrooge McDuck space dollars...
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#98 - 2013-11-17 18:23:43 UTC
How much does it cost to go from -5 to 0 using Concord tags?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#99 - 2013-11-17 18:23:46 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:



if a 75 m mod gets you ganked and is considered an expensive mod then the gankers must be really poor and to be so poor in Eve means you fail at the game.


^^THIS.

All my tears aside, getting ganked for a 75mil mod is a WTF??!! moment.


You had two 80 mil mods.

You also had the potential to stop up to six of their ships if you were not AFK and would have survived.
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2013-11-17 18:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Uma D
Good Apollo BS4 wrote:
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Agree with your sentiment but isk=ships, ships = blow things up or get blown ( wait that sounds weird oh well); <= fun, therefore isk = fun... More isk, more fun :)

Sitting on billions and not using it on ships and things would be not fun. You can't Scrooge McDuck space dollars...


Right... with ISK you buy ships you have fun with and as long as you make more money than you lose while killing other ships you can keep having fun, but you do not need to amass billions of ISK in order to do so.

edit to make clear what the point is:

A person who has enough ISK to enjoy the game can hardly be a person who fails at eve, no matter if you define 75 million as a lot of money or not, the deciding factor here is having fun, not having ISK sitting in your wallet you never use. And as long as the ganks stay profitable for that person, he can keep replacing ships over and over again without having billions in his wallet and so he can keep having fun.