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I scared a new corp member and he ragequited EVE

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Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-11-17 07:38:19 UTC
Pretty sure OP thought he would get a standing ovation for this.
What really happened was he tried to gank the noob because he can't pvp; and the noob got away.

Then he thought he would post here for approval.
I am rather glad to see the community digging into this dude.
That is a poor ******* way to "introduce" someone to pvp.

Way to go OP we now have one more new player not staying with EVE and assuming he is a MMO player all his friends family who are mmo players will not be playing, Then there friends of friends ect ect .
Good work
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-11-17 11:36:00 UTC
Wawarp Dridrive ActActive wrote:
I wasted my time and isk doing such poor-man activities just for the nice feeling of helping a new EVE Online player. Finally he subscribed for 6 months. Yay!



BEEBEEDEEBEEPBEEPBEEEEEEEEEEEP my asshat alarm is going nova

Dodixie > Hek
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-11-17 12:41:15 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Wawarp Dridrive ActActive wrote:
I wasted my time and isk doing such poor-man activities just for the nice feeling of helping a new EVE Online player. Finally he subscribed for 6 months. Yay!



BEEBEEDEEBEEPBEEPBEEEEEEEEEEEP my asshat alarm is going nova


I know right.. when i read that i just thought to myself "what an asshat!"
Dangirdas Bachir
The Exiled Titans
#44 - 2013-11-17 13:06:44 UTC
10/10 would read again.

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Winters Chill
Unitas Incorporated
#45 - 2013-11-17 17:50:21 UTC
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#46 - 2013-11-18 05:31:28 UTC
I imagine if this event for you is enough to post up a GD thread then your eve-life must be very tame and rather lame.

You haven't given him a taste of EVE's "harsher side" at all lol Rather you attempted too, going to some overall effort without even killing the guy or ganking his ship, merely wasting a ton of your own time befriending him followed by wasting some missiles, meanwhile he's gotten some help and completed a number of missions.

If anything you've kinda ganked yourself Smile

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-11-18 05:45:41 UTC
Jose Ronald Palasialdana wrote:
Hey Mang,
You sound just like some other people I've met in Eve. If you shared your LOLs with someone.. I'd understand... but... ??!?!

"I gotz this great idea..LMAO.. LOL... GANK... sheesh why doesn't anyone like me?!?? I'm such a great guy!"


Adds OP to watchlist with label: PSYCHOS <-143 currently with this label.

Their is a lot of mental illness in the world... and in Eve.... just saying...


Seek help,


Jose Ronald, Minmatar spiritual enabler


Replying to another misinformed individual who applies subjective moral standards to video games and gameplay and calls people psycho because they merely upset him. You belittle mental illness by calling it something it's not. I'll tell you what there is a lot of in the world, and EVE.

Stupidity.

/thread

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1
Doomheim
#48 - 2013-11-18 08:45:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jose Ronald Palasialdana wrote:
Hey Mang,
You sound just like some other people I've met in Eve. If you shared your LOLs with someone.. I'd understand... but... ??!?!

"I gotz this great idea..LMAO.. LOL... GANK... sheesh why doesn't anyone like me?!?? I'm such a great guy!"


Adds OP to watchlist with label: PSYCHOS <-143 currently with this label.

Their is a lot of mental illness in the world... and in Eve.... just saying...


Seek help,


Jose Ronald, Minmatar spiritual enabler


Replying to another misinformed individual who applies subjective moral standards to video games and gameplay and calls people psycho because they merely upset him. You belittle mental illness by calling it something it's not. I'll tell you what there is a lot of in the world, and EVE.

Stupidity.

/thread
One could make the argument that doing such things to others is a sign of a sociopath.

However I do believe for some it is simple boredom combined with a lack of behavioral training. I find when I encounter players with a stable job, wife, and especially kids, they gawk at any sort of deception performed on friends or trusting parties.
When I encounter players that are willing to do such things, I find they do not have these things usually.

Back to the topic of sociopaths, we can take a look at the communications offered by such parties. For one most are particularly looking to grief the other person; essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult. Online or offline is irrelevant here; that is childish and for adults to act like that is a sign that something is wrong with them.

There's also a group that do it to look cool to their other friends in the game. Once again, for fully grown men to create a high-school styled social structure in the game is a sign of stupidity at best, brain function deterioration at the worst.

The last thing I'd like to touch on is the communication style of such people. Most feel the need to have the attention shined on themselves and will instantly resort to mindless trolling if a criticism is thrown there way. They tend to communicate through posting childish memes and cannot partake in any serious discussions both on an intellectual level and due to their childish behavioral development.

Thus considering this all I'd say "griefers" in EVE are mostly a mix of:
1) Bored, stupid people
2) Sociopaths
3) People with development disorders, socially specifically
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-11-18 09:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:
One could make the argument that doing such things to others is a sign of a sociopath.


No, one couldn't. As a diagnosed sociopath myself, I have two questions for you: the first is, what are your qualifications to make that argument, and two, what makes you conclude that doing 'bad things' makes one a sociopath? There is an unusual misconception that just because someone is a sociopath they are more prone to doing bad things. Or just because someone does bad things, they are a sociopath. Sorry, but there are many more diagnostic factors to consider than that.

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However I do believe for some it is simple boredom combined with a lack of behavioral training. I find when I encounter players with a stable job, wife, and especially kids, they gawk at any sort of deception performed on friends or trusting parties.
When I encounter players that are willing to do such things, I find they do not have these things usually.


Your population sample is limited to who you know or have met. As a member of an alliance full of married, well-paid individuals who do plenty of "bad things" in this game, I can tell you conclusively that your conclusion is inconclusive.

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Back to the topic of sociopaths, we can take a look at the communications offered by such parties. For one most are particularly looking to grief the other person; essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult. Online or offline is irrelevant here; that is childish and for adults to act like that is a sign that something is wrong with them.


Considering the misconception discussed above, you clearly think a 'sociopath' is something bad, therefore I can only imagine what your motivations are for trying to diagnose people as sociopathic just because they do 'bad things'. I would imagine there is a degree of prescriptive retaliation going on, in which case... irony anyone?

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There's also a group that do it to look cool to their other friends in the game. Once again, for fully grown men to create a high-school styled social structure in the game is a sign of stupidity at best, brain function deterioration at the worst.


Citation/evidence needed. I find it amusing that you keep linking "sociopath" to "stupid" when sociopaths tend to average much higher IQs than neurotypicals...

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The last thing I'd like to touch on is the communication style of such people. Most feel the need to have the attention shined on themselves and will instantly resort to mindless trolling if a criticism is thrown there way. They tend to communicate through posting childish memes and cannot partake in any serious discussions both on an intellectual level and due to their childish behavioral development.

Thus considering this all I'd say "griefers" in EVE are mostly a mix of:
1) Bored, stupid people
2) Sociopaths
3) People with development disorders, socially specifically


Unless you're qualified in the field of developmental disorders, like my own autism for example, you should really try to avoid pretending to know something about them. If you DO know something about them, then you already know you're full of crap, in which case you're just trolling. Calling people "bored, stupid, sociopaths, developmentally challenged", etc, and attaching them to such negative connotations.... how does that make you any different than the people you're criticising?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Edora Madullier
French Kiss Singularity
#50 - 2013-11-18 11:26:48 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Unless you're qualified in the field of developmental disorders, like my own autism for example, you should really try to avoid pretending to know something about them. If you DO know something about them, then you already know you're full of crap, in which case you're just trolling. Calling people "bored, stupid, sociopaths, developmentally challenged", etc, and attaching them to such negative connotations.... how does that make you any different than the people you're criticising?


He may be wrong with the exact terms (I don't know **** about it, so can't say), but he's right when he mentions :

Quote:
essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult


Doing "bad things" in EvE is OK, it's part of the game, but enjoying making other people miserable is not. It's not your character "harvesting the tears" of the other character, it's the player doing so to the other player. Human beings. The fact that it is a video game doesn't matter at all.
Maybe the victim should not be too upset about a game, but the fact that the "tear harvester" enjoys other people's suffering sure is a sign of asshatery, whether it qualifies as sociopathy or not.
Nantwig Mutbrecht
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-11-18 11:41:08 UTC
just dropping by to point out that the past tense of of 'to quit' is 'quit' not 'quited', so the threadtitle ought to be corrected.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#52 - 2013-11-18 12:11:27 UTC
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
just dropping by to point out that the past tense of of 'to quit' is 'quit' not 'quited', so the threadtitle ought to be corrected.


Irrelevant. The past tense of 'ragequit' is 'ragequited'
Oraac Ensor
#53 - 2013-11-18 12:36:11 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
just dropping by to point out that the past tense of of 'to quit' is 'quit' not 'quited', so the threadtitle ought to be corrected.


Irrelevant. The past tense of 'ragequit' is 'ragequited'

Nope.

Adding a prefix doesn't alter the conjugation of the root verb. Past tense of "forego" is "forewent" not "foregoed" and "overspend" goes to "overspent" not "overspended" etc etc.

In any case, even if adding "ed" was correct, which it obviously isn't, it would require two "t"s, as "ragequitted".

0/10.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#54 - 2013-11-18 12:43:49 UTC
ITT The nice man gives babby candy so that he can take it away again.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Janna Sway
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#55 - 2013-11-18 12:48:25 UTC
Wawarp Dridrive ActActive wrote:
Last month I was spamming the recruitment channel a bit and talked to dozens of folks only to get a couple of them recruited, you know how this works.

So this little guy in a trial account got interested by mining and I taught him the ropes: what ships to fly, how to properly fit his vessels to resist the rats, and kill them with the appropiate drones, and whatnot.

We made some mining ops

We ran a session of lvl1 and lvl2 missions

I wasted my time and isk doing such poor-man activities just for the nice feeling of helping a new EVE Online player. Finally he subscribed for 6 months. Yay!

It was all nice when suddenly, hey, I got this shiny idea:

How do I introduce this little carebear to PVP? What if I scare him? LOL

So he was trying his brand new Retriever - epic moment as he described it - he worked a reasonable amount of hours mining in Venture to afford it. Well I popped in belt with my Caracal and blasted his shields. Got no response.

I talked in corp channel and fleet channel. I loled. Nothing. AFK?

Suddenly his ****** retriever is moving aligned to station but the miserable was scrambled by myself. Still no response in chat. LMAO...

So as I consider silence as an insult to my intelligence, I decided to excavate the armor. Scary! Now the little guy decided to talk:

"WTF is this? Im placing a huge bounty on your head!!! This is not a joke!!!!!"


I loled a bit more and finally let him go in a perfectly white structure, only after explaining him he should trust no one and that this was only a demonstration of how harsh EVE can be.

Dude docked and dropped from corp, blocked me. I noticed he blocked me because I was offering some ISK to repair his armor... but message couldnt get delivered.

He still in NPC after 1 month. I think he really quited EVE Online. Waste of 70 bucks, LOL!!!I I have mixed feelins about this.




Do I understand this correctly?
A guy starts his EVE career in your corp.
At some point you just decide to gank him in a belt.
He leaves EVE in response...

The corp is basically your "EVE-family".

Regardless how harsh and brutal the EVE universe is, the "EVE-family" is a place that is supposed to give you some sort of safety and security. In this "EVE-family" you feel comfortable enough to freely ask stupid questions as a newbie, without being ridiculed. In this "EVE-family" you work on building up trust and bondage.
In the "EVE-family" you form similar interests and work together, and you create an atmosphere that says "It is we and everybody else".

By you "trolling" this, as you say "little guy", I mean ganking him, you obviously displayed that you do not see a corp as something I described above.
This "little guy" was in the beginning of forming trust and bondage towards you and the corporation, in the process of forming a structure for himself, something that could give him security.
You obviously displayed that you did not seek similar goals with your corporation.

Instead of offering order, you displayed disharmony.
Instead of offering trust, you displayed unpredictable harmfulness.
Instead of respect, you offered him humiliation.

In response to you causing him to break his trust to you, you decide to humiliate that "little guy" even further on the forums in order to smoothen your conscience...?

Well, overall I would say that with your attitude you will attract people. People who are similar to you.
However, not everybody will be attracted by such behavior and attitude, and truly, do not consider me as one of them.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-11-18 13:52:30 UTC
Edora Madullier wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Unless you're qualified in the field of developmental disorders, like my own autism for example, you should really try to avoid pretending to know something about them. If you DO know something about them, then you already know you're full of crap, in which case you're just trolling. Calling people "bored, stupid, sociopaths, developmentally challenged", etc, and attaching them to such negative connotations.... how does that make you any different than the people you're criticising?


He may be wrong with the exact terms (I don't know **** about it, so can't say), but he's right when he mentions :

Quote:
essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult


Doing "bad things" in EvE is OK, it's part of the game, but enjoying making other people miserable is not. It's not your character "harvesting the tears" of the other character, it's the player doing so to the other player. Human beings. The fact that it is a video game doesn't matter at all.
Maybe the victim should not be too upset about a game, but the fact that the "tear harvester" enjoys other people's suffering sure is a sign of asshatery, whether it qualifies as sociopathy or not.


Bullshit, the fact that it is a video game negates the 'suffering' of other players together. Oh noes, your pixels exploded? First world problems, biatch. Let me know when you've experienced some real suffering and THEN we'll talk about suffering in a video game.

There isn't even one single parallel you can draw. Not one. The fact that you're playing video games AT ALL means you're not suffering, so whatever enjoyment other players get out of what they do to you IN GAME has no parallel in reality, sorry.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Deftor
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-11-18 14:24:36 UTC
I dunno Op, sounds a little like you did the best you could and I applaud you for it.

I think everyone should get together and repay you for the isk you spent in helping, or come up with an isk per hour for all the training, and award you for your time lost.

You went out of your way to train someone FRESH to the game. Who does that? I sure wouldn't. You created some High Sec 5.0+ trust, and if they were a little more open minded, a little less spoiled, they would have stopped to talk to you about it, accepted your isk for repairs, and learned to look over their shoulder once in a while.

It just reminds me of the 3 year old who you take a toy from in the park and they run to their mommies and hide and never want to go to the park you creepily lurk in again. Even after buying expensive entrance fees into the park with mommy's money.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#58 - 2013-11-18 15:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
OP's in trouble, thread started off with moralizing/finger-wagging and didn't stop! New Order badass LMAO bullies, get in here now!
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-11-18 15:20:37 UTC
All you did was to turn away another subscriber that could be losing billions in the future to other players.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2013-11-18 15:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Edora Madullier wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Unless you're qualified in the field of developmental disorders, like my own autism for example, you should really try to avoid pretending to know something about them. If you DO know something about them, then you already know you're full of crap, in which case you're just trolling. Calling people "bored, stupid, sociopaths, developmentally challenged", etc, and attaching them to such negative connotations.... how does that make you any different than the people you're criticising?


He may be wrong with the exact terms (I don't know **** about it, so can't say), but he's right when he mentions :

Quote:
essentially an adult that is taking enjoyment in the suffering, frustration and annoyance of another adult


Doing "bad things" in EvE is OK, it's part of the game, but enjoying making other people miserable is not. It's not your character "harvesting the tears" of the other character, it's the player doing so to the other player. Human beings. The fact that it is a video game doesn't matter at all.
Maybe the victim should not be too upset about a game, but the fact that the "tear harvester" enjoys other people's suffering sure is a sign of asshatery, whether it qualifies as sociopathy or not.


Bullshit, the fact that it is a video game negates the 'suffering' of other players together. Oh noes, your pixels exploded? First world problems, biatch. Let me know when you've experienced some real suffering and THEN we'll talk about suffering in a video game.

There isn't even one single parallel you can draw. Not one. The fact that you're playing video games AT ALL means you're not suffering, so whatever enjoyment other players get out of what they do to you IN GAME has no parallel in reality, sorry.

Just because you use the video "game" as a tool to project misery and suffering onto others does not negate that you, a human being, is deriving enjoyment from making another human being miserable. The tool that is used to accomplish this is irrelevant. Your intent is what is in question, not the tool you use. The very reason why you'd want to "collect tears" is because you know your actions are causing another human being real misery.

Now I know it's tempting to move this goal post around and claim "well they shouldn't feel misery over a game anyway... so it's their fault." And that, at this point is irrelevant. We can certainly make the argument that people should be more chill when interacting with people inclined at making them miserable, in essence ignore and brush off. But this does NOT in way make "tear collecting" or grief play acceptable or normal behavior.

Or look at it another way. You and I sit down for a game of Scrabble. I go on an all-out verbal assault on you using the letter tiles to spell insults directed at you, your medical conditions, and your mother. I want to get you mad. It's why I do it. Is this OK? After all, I am doing it over a game and they are only letter tiles that are put together on a game board. Is it unreasonable to expect you to get offended and angry?

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