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Suicide ganking - too much - solution

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-11-17 08:43:18 UTC
TL:DR-

Grr Test! Grr Goons! asdfqwertyGankers it's nothing i have trillions grr goons

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Tubrug1
Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.
Kybernauts Clade
#42 - 2013-11-17 08:59:52 UTC
If you're a a scary wormhole person what were you doing in highsec?

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John Holt
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-11-17 09:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: John Holt
I don't even autopilot with empty shuttles.

If you have to be away dock up, do what you gotta do, then come back.

Done my time in null sec, now I'm just a Privateer wandering around High and Low Sec.
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-11-17 09:46:31 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:



Oh I dont care about the ecmgu


LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

I came up with a good name for that ship, Im pissed it exploded.


I must not be reading this correctly.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2013-11-17 09:52:53 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting


Straight

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-11-17 10:31:48 UTC
rofl a pvper crying over getting ganked in high sec... Now I have seen it all!

Makes it 100 times better that it was a ecmgu!

Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows.
Sevendeadly Sins
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-11-17 10:35:30 UTC
And you seriously think that CCP would even think about doing this?

Really?

If so, you are a danger to the EVE community, please biomass your character and go play WoW instead.

http://www.zombo.com
SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#48 - 2013-11-17 10:39:23 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

Solution.

Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:

Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.


No. It doesn't work that way. People put money on your head because they want you to lose something. And that's rarely only the monetary loss those people are interested in.

Even so there is a problem here. How about non linear penalties to sec status for repeated criminal offenses in highsec in a certain time window?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-11-17 11:10:53 UTC
OP is a carebear, a liar and full of himself.
Inquisitor Ageri
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-11-17 11:14:08 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
OP is a carebear, a liar and full of himself.


This from Shitposter Alpha.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-11-17 11:29:33 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
kermity wrote:

Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.

TEST? You guys still exist? I dont much pay attention to null-bears, all you are to me are ship scan results on my tackle boat's combat probes...And a few seconds later, a cloud of wreckage.

Hey, that reminds me of...

More to the point: apparently to them you're just a white bracket on an overview, followed by a cloud of wreckage and a tearful forum post.

Dodixie > Hek
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-11-17 11:40:48 UTC
Geeshhh, dangit WH bear farmer full of isk (or full of himself, only).

I'll keep an eye on him and his Corp mates, it seems there will be lots of drops from there or, at least, lots of tears in GD.

I really love these folks. Pirate

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#53 - 2013-11-17 12:02:11 UTC
Stopped reading the OP after I saw "auto piloting".

Then it's quite simply your own fault, idiot. (seriously, what kind of complacent imbecile auto pilots in a T3? And why does that mechanic even exist anymore?)

Oh, and profit or not, I'd have done it just for all the tears you've poured out and for a tengu killmail. Not like cats are expensive, the killmail alone would have been worth it for me, but having you go on the "I don't even care!" poutyface spiel about it is just icing on the cake.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#54 - 2013-11-17 12:08:23 UTC
kermity wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.

Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.

The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.

I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.

Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?

Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.

Solution.

Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:

Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.

So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.

Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.

This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.


Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.



Goons? Oh wait...

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#55 - 2013-11-17 12:45:12 UTC
So let's recap.

[x] Got ganked while AFK piloting.
[x] Believes they have an entitlement against such things.
[x] Not bothered about the ship, but still pissed about it after 2 weeks.
[x] No proof it actually happened.
[x] Used the old recycling chars argument, again without proof.
[ ] Is a hardcore WH dweller.

So even though suicide ganking is at an all time low, the self entitled new crowd are still on the whine. Good to know.

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Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-11-17 12:53:07 UTC
Where are the numbers that shows that suiciding is at an all-time low?

I don't know about all of new eden, but around my parts (Molden Heath) it still seems fairly rife.
Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2013-11-17 12:53:21 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No I did in fact lose an ecm tengu, was like 10 days ago I think.

Im pissed for 2 reasons:

1) my tengu had a cool name and it SHOULDNT have exploded with that name
2) its a fleet ship. Why the hell gank a fleet ship??? Thats just stupid. Its like ganking any odd random falcon you see pass by. Same mods drop. I mean ok, gankers got away with 2-3 tech 2 missle launchers, couple of umbra ecm mods, cheap ass nano plate... grats? No ship scan anymore? See tengu, mash F1 button much, dollar signs in eyes?

Thats scrapping bottom of barrel.


1. Why not?
2. Because it's funny. Because you were on autopilot. Because they can.

Why should you be immune to ganking just because your ship was a fleet fit?
Jessica Alp
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-11-17 12:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Alp
Mag's wrote:
So let's recap.

[x] Got ganked while AFK piloting.
[x] Believes they have an entitlement against such things.
[x] Not bothered about the ship, but still pissed about it after 2 weeks.
[x] No proof it actually happened.
[x] Used the old recycling chars argument, again without proof.
[ ] Is a hardcore WH dweller.

So even though suicide ganking is at an all time low, the self entitled new crowd are still on the whine. Good to know.


One could almost get the impressions that it is just an alt of a certain person.... I guess you know who i mean ;)....


If ccp nerfs suicide ganking again at some point i hope they will nerf it by removing the autopilot. I am sure this would reduce the number of autopiloting victims by roughly 100% ;).
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-11-17 13:01:16 UTC
Solution: Stop flying bling bling ships in Empire or accept they are at risk

Your solution fixes nothing. The real solution is for the pilot to understand the risk and plan accordingly.

Best of luck next time.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#60 - 2013-11-17 13:01:58 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate

You're a wormhole dweller, you're meant to be better than this, you used autopilot, you paid the price for doing so. Go back to your wormhole and HTFU.

Tengus of any flavour have been valid targets for ganking ever since they came out, they're generally fitted with some bling and ganking them gets reactions like your original post.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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