Player Features and Ideas Discussion

40s 0 DPS... very usefull mod...

While I absolutely applaud the design of these launchers and their differentiation of application of dps, I challenge you to go a step further:

Quad light missile launchers
Or, more specifically,
Quad light neutron blasters.

We can come up with reasons why, later.



Thinking about this, I have to ask... is it even remotely plausible to have a RoF bonus translate into a reload cycle? It seems to gimp the style if you have a launcher RoF bonus, as the applied dps is more... until the reload time, at which point you still have to wait the same amount of time. This tells me that his conclusion is accurate in that a dmg bonus is much better for this item.

On the other hand, I really like the idea of different weapons actually being DIFFERENT on this level, rather than a range/tracking/dps variance only. In the future I can only hope we have each of the five weapons systems represented in many ways, where hit-and-run "spew out dps" style ships are yet even more specialized and customizable and at the opposite end of the spectrum have things like the bastion module to emphasize and provide a channel to a different play style.

Great work, CCP!

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They didn't bonus them at all... they are cutting the overall DPS and making it look pretty on the front end.

They cut the overall DPS over time by 20% on average. So they are pretty much just the same thing as
Light Missile Launchers now, but just front loaded, which in effect removed the benefit of the old RLML completely.

Bummer is those who spent months training ships and missile skills in order to buy into the RLML craze, pretty much
got dumped on.....

If they were over powered, just be creative and fix the other weapon types to compensate and move forward, rather then pull this silly take away.... truly unfair to missile users in general.

I remember when they messed around with artillery. I can't find the dev blog, but they were reasonable, well-considered changes that were also backed up with a very good ammo rebalance. To this day, projectile ammo is still amazingly useful - though I do wish we had a medium-range version that dealt EM.

It's too bad we can't have the same thing with missiles. This new missile system could be amazing if the other cruiser-sized options weren't invalidated by their ammunition being horse balls by comparison. The way it is now, you fly around with dual painters and two T2 rigors if you want to apply your damage.

Wouldn't it be better if RLML would fire 1-2 missiles, reload for 5-7 seconds and then fire again 1-2 missiles??? If I understand correctly the whole point is to increase spikes of tension as much as possible. Just imagine!!!

Yup. Rise made a retardedly overpowered module, and now it's time for the special-casing so that only people who want to fly throwaway 30m isk ships can actually use the OP gear. Otherwise older players in real ships would be able to compete: we wouldn't want that.

Same BS with AARs and ASBs: a tiny minority of skillful players used to use active armor / shield tanking with great success. CCP saw this going on, saw that mere mortals who either couldn't afford high-end modules or weren't skillful enough to manage cap injection cycles etc weren't able to use these tactics, so they cook up some 3m isk module that gives your terrible T1 ship the same tanking capability as some autist's two-billion isk cruiser, "but only for 50 seconds."

Such a stupid idea. I suppose they'll be restricting RLMLs on the Tengu as well, since you'd have been able to do something like 650 dps with light missiles using them.

I have an idea: how about you design balanced modules instead of pushing out overpowered bullshit and then restricting it to use on throwaway ships? Why should I play a game that's totally balanced in favor of people flying throwaway crap in a suicidal manner? Stop making cheap crap outperform things people have spent ages training + saving for.

The only thing they have in common with ASB's is the extended reload time. The big difference is with an ASB you can fit another repper to enable repping while ASB recharges if needed.. RLM's you don't have that option.

With my current skills using an RLM fit caracal for lvl 3 missions, I get 349DPS for 51 seconds then none for 40 seconds, works out at roughly 180.5 dps per second, around 60dps less than I get now over the same time. Missioning with RLM caracal just went out the window.

For my current use of RLM's these changes a very bad. Heavy missiles in lvl 3's just take way too long to finish most of them (trying to hit npc frigates using hml's is tiresome).

And seriously how often do you get to pick and choose targets in pvp?? If your in a caracal with RLM's and get tackled by another cruiser you at least now have a chance of winning. After Rubicon that chance drops to just about zero vs anything with half decent shield rep or worse an active armour tank.

Basing game play and module use on all level 5 skills is fine and looks good (also much easier for devs than trying to find a balance to include lower skilled players) but the reality is there are a lot more players out there without all 5's then there are with.

From what I've read and heard about the issues with RLM's was they were too overpowered vs frigates.. IMO; They just became more so at least for those with all 5's, 409dps over 50 seconds = a lot of dead frigates in a short period. 4 or 5 volleys at a kite fit frigate he's gonna die, that's what, 4 or 5 dead frigates every 50 seconds

I think there is quite some misconception going on at CCP why rapid light missiles are so popular. Its certainly not because theyre good, theyre actually pretty bad, its bacause the other missiles are utter trash.

Does anyone here knows that 1400mm artilleries have 20 (twenty) seconds between *each shot* ?

That's only two shot while RLML is reloading.

That is also 30 seconds when they need to reload or swap ammo !

They are in fact usefull only on shot every twenty seconds ! A whole jam cycle !

At least the Caracal will be usefull for a minute before reloading !

not sure if sarcasm since you keep defending RLML change in your other posts.. comparing 1400mm to RLML... holy **** do you even know how much a 1400mm can do ?

STOP COMPARING ARTILLERY TO THIS CHANGE