Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Remember how i was comparing how the ships did in certain situations?

And i was saying how beams were better when not scrammed/webbed and missiles were better when you were?

... Yes that...

This is only really viable after the ammo switching issue has been resolved, and presently the current plan is to release a sweeping change in an incomplete, and therefore, poorly conceived state.

When all is said and done, RLMLs will have received a massive nerf... but the real shame is how this weapon system won't be even be usable, in a small gang playstyle, until the ammo switch goes live.

The fact of the matter is that the RLML change shouldn't be released prior to addressing the ammo switching issue. It's as simple as that... and it baffles me that those in charge of pushing this change through can't see that.

Is meeting artificial deadlines and internal release targets so important that CCP is willing to forgo their own integrity? This isn't just some nebulous issue of corporation morality... It reflects shoddy design work; it negatively impacts your relationship with your customers; and it damages your brand as a result. People at CCP work too hard on too great a multitude of excellent projects to have a negative light cast on these efforts through botched implementations and subsequently negatively anchored impressions. What's the point?

Take a step back and consider that this development work is being pursued with the goal of improving the game and user experience. Needlessly eliminating a playstyle in the midst of an arbitrary (not urgent or imperative) change detracts from that experience and, therefore, should serve as a contraindication for a premature release.

There. That's it. A release that is, owing to unresolved issues, incomplete should be postponed until an iteration that addresses those issues can be put forth. This is a proposal that is simple, straightforward and will ultimately be in the best interests of the players and CCP as a whole.

The only way CCP will listen to what's said is if there is a mass unsub, like what happened when they tried to rebalance incursions.

I said I was done, but this is kinda like the hole in one of my teeth, just hafta stick a toothpick in there from time to time.

Patch notes have been live now for a bit over a day and the market is beginning to react. At current the average price paid for a caracal has declined 180k since the patch notes were announced, while not significant yet, the quantity of buy orders has declined to a point where a single freighter load would be enough to cause the buy order price to drop below 9m and two would drop it near 2m.

Rapid light missile launchers are staying relatively steady at near mineral value for their daily average excepting meta 3's where someone derped and paid way too much for a significant amount causing the numbers to skew for today. Meta 4 launchers are leveling out from their climb that began at the end of september. T2 launchers are on their cyclic upswing and should fall off in price again in approximately 1 week

For the most part light missile prices are declining as they have been for some time. Interestingly precision light missiles have near zero sales, this seems to be a side effect of them having range similar to rockets and unable to fly long enough or fast enough to catch their intended targets.

Price data taken on the Forge

Actually the biggest outcries are about how close to patch application this was announced, bieng pointedly informed that the opinions in this thread mean nothing to the party in control, and the inadequacy of other cruiser mounted missile weapons systems to perform against cruiser sized targets.

Also removes pve usage for its intended L2 mission range due to prohibitive reload time, people won't want it on the basis that guns of any type don't have the same drawback and heavies/HAM's really aren't worth taking in since the bulk of targets are frigate sized.

What is "dynamic" about waiting 40 seconds to reload? What is "dynamic" about not being able to kill any properly tanked AF or Cruiser in the game??? Maybe what the public knows to be fun is a fighting chance against equal opponents.

Try it if you think its so great. No need to wait until Rubicon.... All you have to do is take your Caracal out (lol if you even have one) and get in some fights. Fire 25 rounds, then hit reload. Four times. Let us know your leet strat for the survival...of your pod.

It's Dyno-Mite!

For your Caracal.

These changes make for a ship that is the ultimate accessory (for 50 seconds) for real ships. Then it's a throw away ship.

You want to make for more interesting and dynamic game play?

Put an old RLML Caracal on the same field as the new EAFs. Problem likely solved already.

Or give combat frigs a new module that dumps "chaff" that light missiles/tracking modules lock onto instead of the actual ship giving them a "dynamic" defense to soak up a couple of volleys (duration based, ie for 10 secs). They can use one of their many useless high utility slots for it like the one for their launcher for unbonused roflkets.

This way the Caracal pilot is *doing something* (ie dynamic) and the Frig pilot is *doing something* to defend against missiles. It's a nerf to RLML, but not by letting the RLML pilot do....nothing...for 40 seconds.

The real world of defensive measures for Fighters is rich with Chaff/Flares/Defender style missiles/stealth (that reduces electronic sig) that would nerf Caracals/Cerbs without a single change to them and would not ruin the ships for Caldari newbie PvE and give Frigs increased survival ability against missile boats or dessies with massive tracking bonuses.

Just make frigs have to give up something offensive (ie dps) to gain these new defensive countermeasures (ie lose a high).

Then a Caracal could be buffed to actually be able to fight ships in it's class as well as frigs.

Rise, appears i'm chiming in late on this for one reason or another. well, the rapid heavy is sad news in this house. my BC fitting is if not wrecked, in a lot of trouble. but more heavy heartedly do I reflect on this disaster, the fate of the Skiff. The Skiff is very fast, w. ample mid slots. the field of mining is tottering. And, logis are easily waylayed by this new terror. hope you read it.

There are some people here who quite like the idea. Most likely they don't intend to use the system but they like it nevertheless.