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VAGABOND PVP FIT!!!!!!!!
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j3ssica love
Guardians Incorporated
Cynosural Field Theory.
#1 - 2013-11-16 15:14:47 UTC
high slots
425mm autocannons t2 x5
Ammatar navy medium nosferatu

medium slots
10MN mwd t2
process interruptive warp disruptor
true sansha stasis webifier x2

low slots
Gyrostabalizer t2 x3
damage control t2
energized adaptive nano membrane t2

rigs
medium trimark armor pump t2 x2

cap stable with all on dps is 574 with hail m. speed is 2229 m/s with mwd on.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2013-11-16 15:32:09 UTC
j3ssica love wrote:
high slots
425mm autocannons t2 x5
Ammatar navy medium nosferatu

medium slots
10MN mwd t2
process interruptive warp disruptor
true sansha stasis webifier x2

low slots
Gyrostabalizer t2 x3
damage control t2
energized adaptive nano membrane t2

rigs
medium trimark armor pump t2 x2

cap stable with all on dps is 574 with hail m. speed is 2229 m/s with mwd on.


This fit is horrible.

First of all, the nos is useless. What are you going to be using your cap on....... you are in scram web range

Secondly, NEVER fit a t2 MWD. They are worse in every way, to the 10mn experimental

THirdly

You are flying an armor vaga. I look at the vaga ship bonuses, and then ask yourself why you are fitting armor- with no plate, or rep.

Do not waste your ISK on this fail fit.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3 - 2013-11-16 15:37:40 UTC
Chessur wrote:
They are worse in every way, to the 10mn experimental.

They are superior to T1 MWDs, it's just most PvP fits don't have the fitting requirements to use them.

Oh god.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2013-11-16 15:39:33 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Chessur wrote:
They are worse in every way, to the 10mn experimental.

They are superior to T1 MWDs, it's just most PvP fits don't have the fitting requirements to use them.


No they really are not.

Please explain to me, why you would want to use a T2 MWD. List the reasons.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2013-11-16 15:40:33 UTC
Reduced capacitor penalty.

Oh god.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2013-11-16 15:43:33 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Reduced capacitor penalty.


This is true, however it requires more cap to run- which actually reduces your overall cap length. For example:

Vaga with T2 long point + T2 MWD, perfect skills- no mindflood: 4min 40 sec cap
Vaga with T2 long point + 10MN experimental, perfect skills- no mindflood: 7min 20sec cap

T2 MWD's are always bad. They are ALWAYS the wrong choice.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#7 - 2013-11-16 15:52:37 UTC
Yeah, I thought the T1 MWDs had -25% penalty for some reason.

Oh god.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#8 - 2013-11-16 16:14:12 UTC
220mm ACs,

2x Large ASBs
Scram
MWD

Gyros
DCU
Tracking Enhancers

shield rsist rig
sleep rig or another shield rig

For small gangs, solo this fit rocks most anything cruiser and down, prob some BCs also.
j3ssica love
Guardians Incorporated
Cynosural Field Theory.
#9 - 2013-11-16 16:23:06 UTC
im still learning fits sorry as my bio says im a NEWBBBBBBBB
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#10 - 2013-11-16 16:35:03 UTC
No need to be sorry, that's why the forums and such are here, to help. The dual large ASBs make the Vaga a tough ship, and 200mm do well, hey also do better against smaller targets then 425mms. I rarely use the largest gun type on any size, the med or small usually work better and give more options for tank. My harpies I use the smallest, and I have over 120 kills with them, and I also still do over 260 DPS.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#11 - 2013-11-16 17:12:26 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
220mm ACs,

2x Large ASBs
Scram
MWD

Gyros
DCU
Tracking Enhancers

shield rsist rig
sleep rig or another shield rig

For small gangs, solo this fit rocks most anything cruiser and down, prob some BCs also.


Have fun with getting alphaed through your reps.

[Vagabond, standad]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Projectile Ambit Extension II

Warrior II x5

This is the fit I run, decent projection overall and can generally tank if it gets caught.
Budder Mymuffin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-11-16 17:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Budder Mymuffin
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:

sleep rig


^^what's this?

Would these work well?

  • Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
  • Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#13 - 2013-11-16 17:41:07 UTC
Use the extender for a rig

That fit use 2 large ASBs and the smallest charge you can and navy so you have 9 fit in. ASBs are great because neuts don't effect them and proj weapons neuts don't either. Neuts do effect AAR, which I think is BS and should be fixed so they don't.

Vagabond, standad]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap booster smallest
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster smallest
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M, Hail M, Republic Fleet EMP M, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M, Hail M, Republic Fleet EMP M, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M, Hail M, Republic Fleet EMP M, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M, Hail M, Republic Fleet EMP M, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M, Hail M, Republic Fleet EMP M, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

x5 Hornet EC-300
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-11-16 18:12:02 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Reduced capacitor penalty.


This is true, however it requires more cap to run- which actually reduces your overall cap length. For example:

Vaga with T2 long point + T2 MWD, perfect skills- no mindflood: 4min 40 sec cap
Vaga with T2 long point + 10MN experimental, perfect skills- no mindflood: 7min 20sec cap

T2 MWD's are always bad. They are ALWAYS the wrong choice.

To be fair, the reduced cap penalty means that if you're in a cap-sensitive fit and only have a brief need for the MWD (say, a dual-prop ship where you MWD for a cycle to burn into range then use the afterburner to orbit) then a T2 MWD may work out better.

That's super-niche though and certainly not particularly likely to apply to a vagabond.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Niclas Solo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-11-16 18:12:30 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Reduced capacitor penalty.


This is true, however it requires more cap to run- which actually reduces your overall cap length. For example:

Vaga with T2 long point + T2 MWD, perfect skills- no mindflood: 4min 40 sec cap
Vaga with T2 long point + 10MN experimental, perfect skills- no mindflood: 7min 20sec cap

T2 MWD's are always bad. They are ALWAYS the wrong choice.


No not always, If you will not use the MVD for more then 4 cycles then t2 is better. On vaga you need it for more then 4 cycles but some ships you just need to get within scramrange and after that you don't need the mwd anymore.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-11-16 18:18:53 UTC
j3ssica love wrote:
im still learning fits sorry as my bio says im a NEWBBBBBBBB


If you're still learning PvP fitting principles you probably don't want to jump into a Vagabond with faction/storyline mods and T2 rigs just yet. Buy yourself a stack of cheapfit stabbers and go pick a few fights, once they've all exploded you will probably have a better feel for what is A Good Idea and what isn't, and you'll likely have a lot more fun in the process.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#17 - 2013-11-16 18:22:51 UTC
Even with those extreme examples, meta 4 is still going to be the better option.

It requires less fitting, and honeslty- if cap is really that much of an issue on your ship, a cap booster is what is going to save you. Not a very minor change on your capacitor with using just 1/2 cycles of an MWD.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#18 - 2013-11-16 18:24:36 UTC
Als remember the Stabber Navy gets a 50% bonus to tracknig and is a mean boat, so is the Cynabal, but I'd stay out with a stabber. Buy like 10 and fit them Meta 4 and T2 and work with them a till you get the hang of flying them. In EVE 80% is the pilot 20% are skills and the ship
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#19 - 2013-11-16 18:32:00 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Als remember the Stabber Navy gets a 50% bonus to tracknig and is a mean boat, so is the Cynabal, but I'd stay out with a stabber. Buy like 10 and fit them Meta 4 and T2 and work with them a till you get the hang of flying them. In EVE 80% is the pilot 20% are skills and the ship


Honestly, the stabber is a really, really bad ship. Vaga is also nothing special as well. Arty cynabal is passable. If you really want to kite in a T1 cruiser, get a Pulse Omen, or a Rail thorax. Both of those ships can do what the stabber tries to do 100X better.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#20 - 2013-11-16 18:49:09 UTC
Vaga fit right is a beast, arty or ACs. Stabber is crap but is good to help new player learn how to fly cruisers. Cynabals are nice, but I don't ever fear one in a Vaga anymore, but I also have HAC L5 so that helps. All in all every ship and every fit has a role, just know where that role lies and you will be alright. I usually have a a lot of ships for PvP, and even the same ship usually with 2 or 3 different fits for different jobs.

But as you always seem to enjoy argueing with me Chessur I'm sure you will disagree, but that's ok, to each their own. And it will give me something to do haha
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