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Miner Griefing: A few thoughts
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#61 - 2013-11-15 12:02:44 UTC
dexington wrote:
Cavalira wrote:
...or you could align your barge, so whenever catalysts appear on short scan, you can warp away.

you are always aligned with zero velocity.

Weeeell… does being aligned to nowhere really count?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-11-15 12:04:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
dexington wrote:
Cavalira wrote:
...or you could align your barge, so whenever catalysts appear on short scan, you can warp away.

you are always aligned with zero velocity.

Weeeell… does being aligned to nowhere really count?


or everywhere...

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Lady Areola Fappington
#63 - 2013-11-15 12:05:05 UTC
Here's the ultimate, end-all, anti-gank fit. You can put it on any mining ship, takes 0pg/cpu, and it will prevent 99% of all ganks ever.

What you do is, pay attention to EVE. Pull the local tab off the chat window, stretch it out so you can see all the names, and watch it. Keep an eye on your overview too. This may mean you have to add more than just rocks to your overview tab.

Now, if you see any blinky red people in the local tab, or any ship within 2km of you, you proceed to dock up. Ungankable! Never fails, but for it to work, you have to be awake and alert.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-11-15 12:09:11 UTC
or if you want a real anti-gank fit

[Skiff, MWD SKiff]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

1MN Microwarpdrive II
Survey Scanner II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

love the skiff, it's fast, it tanks like a brick shithouse and it has enough ore hold to nom one of those big veld roids that other mioners can't be arsed flying to.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#65 - 2013-11-15 12:12:18 UTC
dexington wrote:
Tippia wrote:
dexington wrote:
you are always aligned with zero velocity.

Weeeell… does being aligned to nowhere really count?

or everywhere...

No. At zero speed, you're aligned “along” the null vector, which isn't a useful direction (what with not having any direction at all and all that). To be aligned to anything else, you need that vector to actually point somewhere, which means it needs a length, which means you're travelling at speed. Unfortunately, you can't be at speed in every direction at once, so you can't be aligned to everywhere.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-11-15 12:39:51 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Here's the ultimate, end-all, anti-gank fit. You can put it on any mining ship, takes 0pg/cpu, and it will prevent 99% of all ganks ever.

What you do is, pay attention to EVE. Pull the local tab off the chat window, stretch it out so you can see all the names, and watch it. Keep an eye on your overview too. This may mean you have to add more than just rocks to your overview tab.

Now, if you see any blinky red people in the local tab, or any ship within 2km of you, you proceed to dock up. Ungankable! Never fails, but for it to work, you have to be awake and alert.



1) I usually go blinky red AFTER I ganked someone but maybe your EVE client works differently Roll.

2) If you try to dock up when I'm within 2km of you, you're about 15 seconds too late and are going to die.

3) watching local and paying attention works wonders indeed.

4) you won't be paying attention all the time cuz of phones, door bells, explosive diarrhea, gf/wife/kid/neigbor/roommate/whatever-agro and other RL disturbances.
Lady Areola Fappington
#67 - 2013-11-15 12:51:22 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:



1) I usually go blinky red AFTER I ganked someone but maybe your EVE client works differently Roll.

2) If you try to dock up when I'm within 2km of you, you're about 15 seconds too late and are going to die.

3) watching local and paying attention works wonders indeed.

4) you won't be paying attention all the time cuz of phones, door bells, explosive diarrhea, gf/wife/kid/neigbor/roommate/whatever-agro and other RL disturbances.



1) I'm referring to the real gankers who go -10 and love it, not the weekend warriors. Time wasted fixing sec status is time not ganking.

2) ANY ship within 2km of you. That includes the scout/scanner/warp-in.

3) Paying attention is an amazing way to avoid ganks.

4) If you can't attend to those while paying attention, then dock up.




Eve is the only game I know, where people demand the ability to not pay attention, yet still derive benefit. In CoD, I stop paying attention, I die. In WoW, I stop paying attention, my char stands around. Stop paying attention in tetris, the blocks stack up, game over. It's only natural that, if you stop paying attention to EVE, you get punished.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-11-15 12:53:52 UTC
quite obviously if you have to pay that amount of attention to mining you'd be better off doing it in low/null/wh where it's more profitable or actually any other activity other than mining.

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Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-11-15 13:26:47 UTC
OP there is a flaw in your plan - GOONS. Arrow
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2013-11-15 14:02:06 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:



1) I'm referring to the real gankers who go -10 and love it, not the weekend warriors. Time wasted fixing sec status is time not ganking.
Which means it won't do you any good against 'weekend warriors'. Also, do -10's even blink in local channel without committing a crime?


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2) ANY ship within 2km of you. That includes the scout/scanner/warp-in.
That would work, it would require a lot of docking though, since you'll be docking up every time some other miner comes near you.


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3) Paying attention is an amazing way to avoid ganks.

4) If you can't attend to those while paying attention, then dock up.
If you can manage that it's great. I for one often forget or think "what are the chances of me getting ganked in the next five minutes?" :P .


Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#71 - 2013-11-16 09:33:38 UTC
I made this thread as a one-off joke that I thought would be laughed into the ground, and not only is it taken seriously, but it's entertaining.

/me eats popcorn

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That would work, it would require a lot of docking though, since you'll be docking up every time some other miner comes near you.


I get nervous if I'm mining in a belt and people are within 10 km of me. At that point it's time to A) Move, if I'm standing still, B) find a new place to mine if they follow me.

These days I tend to belt mine specifically for ores for storylines though.
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#72 - 2013-11-16 13:43:52 UTC
Taal Khurin wrote:
I still do not get all the fascination with greifing miners etc. There seems to be so many threads devoted to it, it almost seems like a miner touched them in a naughty place when they were young or something.

It's also strangely really only a vaguely recent thing, up until a couple of years ago you rarely heard about suicide ganking barges.



Mining touched most of us when we started and that stupid rookie ship reminds us of it with a mining laser and one trit.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#73 - 2013-11-16 13:45:56 UTC
Burl en Daire wrote:
Taal Khurin wrote:
I still do not get all the fascination with greifing miners etc. There seems to be so many threads devoted to it, it almost seems like a miner touched them in a naughty place when they were young or something.

It's also strangely really only a vaguely recent thing, up until a couple of years ago you rarely heard about suicide ganking barges.



Mining touched most of us when we started and that stupid rookie ship reminds us of it with a mining laser and one trit.


This. I still owe the miners of New Eden about 200 kills for wasting my time as a newbie. And hell, that was long enough ago I was doing it in a damned Scythe. Back before it was a useful ship.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-11-16 15:07:38 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
Electrique Wizard wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
make sov claimable


Make this happen



Yeah, shooting structures sounds fun. Where is the party?


fixed? :P

fixed? :P

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