Missions & Complexes

Do you mean it's possible to make income off flying around asteroid belts and killing the NPC pirates and looting their wrecks? You mention "in deep nullsec"...is this the only place where it's financially viable to do this?

I'm stlll fairly new and I've never heard of this. I'd be interested in being pointed towards a reference that would help me get started killing NPC pirates for their loot.

This right here.

Maybe so, but the "whoot I got shiny loot but it's not worth anything anymore" kind a sucks aswel.

We know that CCP keeps stats on/ periodically adjusts drop rates for at least SOME items. A certain EX-CCP employee with a twitter account and access to loads of statistical data showed us that. So its possible that they have adjusted the drop rates on shiney exploration loot recently.

That said-

My longest 'losing' streak while doing invention was 28 failures in a row. That was on an item that I had a 30ish% chance to invent on. Given the numbers posted in this thread, that would be the equivalent of 9 weeks worth of DED sites for some of you. I don't do much exploration anymore, but the data I collected when I ran a lot of explo content suggested that drop rates for the valuable gear was well below 30%.

SOooo, it is not unreasonable to think that people can go months without seeing anything of value.

Haven't been able to play much lately but have run 2 blood 7/10 and whatever blood prison camp is 8/10? First just OE other corpum reps worth around 1 bill total. Given how easy these sites are seem perfectly fine to me.

And Taur stop being a wuss n go into enemy space run some there, use a blops if you're worried about using scout + your PvE ship to gate it, which btw is completely safe. If you do what I do you'll likely be able to afford to rent multiple systems.

Oh cool then.

Honestly, I feel like you're the one trolling here.

People have addressed you candidly and all you've done is stuck your fingers in your ears, passive aggressively laid personal attack after personal attack on other posters, and proclaimed that the game is broken because its not living up to your perceptions and expectations.

Step away from the computer, get rid of the mad, and go have some fun without the bitter.

a bit of a nerco but basically esculation rates went from at least 1 a day for me to 1 a week. Considering this is over 5 accounts thats a pretty significant drop.


My assumption is that CCP slows down the rate at which you get them to help control the supply of things to the market. Considering each site has a 1/10 chance of doing so.


Granted i just could be on a **** streak of not getting them. Considering on average i run 50 anamolies a day i should still be spawning at least 1 a day.

I don't keep charts or spreadsheets for these. I generally just run stuff as I find it and have nothing better to do. However, I have noticed less value out of Gurista and Sansha space vs Angel, BR, and Serp. Here is my thought process as to why:

Gurista space: Has been heavily farmed/populated since Technetium was more important then ship ammo.
Sansha Space: Russian farm fest. (If you dont believe me, Old -A- space and just go look at NRT4 in Stain, and go during russian prime.)
Angel/BR: Constant SOV warzones and Curse is well; curse.
Serp: Who the **** goes to syndicate for PVE? (Not familiar with the space Serp covers in sov.

Considering the loot aspect and how much gets moved in and out of jita. I figure that each individual group has its own RNG.
So if 10000 in 200 systems gurista/sansha sites get run a day; and 100-200 random X-Type drops. Lets say after an X-Type drop is completed. It spawns in another system. You have a 0.5% chance of hitting that magical number if 200 people in 200 systems are running a site of the same "grade" at the same time. Now, lets say only 3 X-Type drops are spawned at a time. Now factor in empty systems in null that get maybe 3 jumps. Lets say it gets a traffic of 10 people. You have 10 chances for that site to be used to respawn somewhere closer to you.

Now if only 5000 in 100 Angel/BR/Serp sites get run a day with 50-100 random X-Type drops. You still have the same percentages as above. Now though you more reasonable chances to nab it.

** All numbers are made up to give a train for my thought on how it works. I have not seen (nor looked into) the mechanics of Complexes outside of how to not die, and how it works to an RNG. I am not a fan of risk+time in the aspect of valuing money being made in space and ignoring my market orders, as marketing is my main isk faucet. Everything else is just something different then staring at regional markets, forum sell orders, stats and graphs. So, when I Mission/Rat/Site run/Explore. I generally just do it. ^^

Why is the OP spending months doing something that nets him nothing? Talk about insanity.