Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It. Must. Be.

Arguments for that:
1) It's logical. Cynojammers don't prevent covert cynos from being lit.
2) They're unavailable for capitals: only covert ships and Black Ops.
3) Covert Cynos are meant to be used for small- and medium-scaled pvp, it suits very well for highsec wardec pvp.
4) Tonns of fun for wardec pvp. Covert hotdrops, counter-hotdrops and counter-counter-hotdrops, highly mobile fleets.
5) Suits well with Rubicon and capsuleer independence theme.

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While the discussion developed, this idea got some improvements (obviously, "covcyno" in every line here means "covcyno in highsec").
1. Covcyno should make everyone who lights it or jumps to it get suspect flag.
2. Covcyno beacon should be visible in overview through the whole system, like normal cynos in other parts of Eve.
3. The security status of a character should get lowered a bit (maybe, like for a podkill in lowsec) each time it lights covcyno. --> more demand for security tags and more ratting activity in lowsec; less safety and more attention to the cyno characters.
4. Lighting covcynos in the 4 main trade hubs should not be allowed.

Strong points of the idea:
Mobile pvp fleets, more dynamic pvp, hotdropping and counter-hotdropping fun, mercenary service market evolution, more small-scale pvp for smaller pvp entities, entrance to pvp for newcoming players (by making highsec pvp more popular in general), potentially more people interested in pvp and going further to nullsec, lowsec and Anoikis (w-space).

Weaker points:
Has potential to create network of covcyno service providers (like current freighting organizations) for super-fast covert travel. Though, this means more characters with suspect flag at a moment of time, which means more pvp targets.
Inexperienced "pure" carebear corporations have to adapt to potentially higher activity of wardeccers, or at last have to start to use mercenary services.

Maby the Empires have beter technology than those... from nullsec

Because that wouldn't be horribly and utterly broken beyond any horribly broken thing that has ever been horribly and utterly broken in the past... right? Right?

1) It's logical. Cynojammers don't prevent covert cynos from being lit.

Hisec has super-jammers .

3) Covert Cynos are meant to be used for small- and medium-scaled pvp, it suits very well for highsec wardec pvp.
4) Tonns of fun for wardec pvp. Covert hotdrops, counter-hotdrops and counter-counter-hotdrops, highly mobile fleets.

This would be OP as hell. Really OP. Violates the principle of fair chase. Currently if someone wardecs you but shows no intention of fighting, you can turn up the vigilance meter to 11 and go about your daily business using scouts, watchlists, and local and by basically not being an easy target. Rightfully putting the onus on the attacker to get the jump on you, outsmart you, or catch you napping. Allowing neutral alts to covert cyno in a ganksquad would be such a powerful deterrent that you could shut down a target corporation without ever undocking. This whole thing would be okay for wardecs IF you could only use a covert bridge or jump to a covert cyno (in hisec) if the cyno-beacon-person is in your alliance, but I don't see that happening.

5) Suits well with Rubicon and capsuleer independence theme.

It has literally nothing to do with this. If you want big-boy toys, then go to big-boy space.

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The main reason is that neutral bumpers/logis are already deeply seeded into highsec PVP, we don't need to add neutral covert cynos to that as well.

Stress in quotation made by me. Fair? What?? I thought in eve everybody forget this word after the first pvp experience.
There is no such thing as fair chase or fair fight, except set-up competitions like tournaments.


I don't like this part of your sentence. The thing is that highsec carebears must be easy targets. "Not-so-easy" ones tend to live in more dangerous places. Or if they live in highsec they're able to fight back (or hire those who are able) instead of hiding and corp-jumping.


If you're wardecced you know about it. Not a problem to hire some mercs, put a cloaky cov.cyno alt close to you and wait for enemy hotdrop - to counter-hotdrop mercs upon them.


No, it has a lot.
1, covert cyno is not a "big-boy toy", it's a small or medium gang "toy".
2, Rubicon brings covert ships which seem to become an excellent choise for relatively cheap covert pvp gangs. And cov cyno usage is very natural for such gangs. Also, the whole theme of rise of capsuleers goes well with increased pvp activity and diversity in high security warfare.

At this moment I haven't seen any reasonable objection to this idea. Only few carebears afraid of being killed and too lazy to do anything except killing rats.
If you're afraid of wardecs and want to just spend all your time ratting - go to wormholes, they're empty. Or hire people to help you fight back - the whole new mercenary thing was introduced just for you.

+1 high sec needs some shaking up, this could do well for competitive mercs.

Have high sec corps who are at war restricted to using covert ops cynos from corp/alliance only. Simples ;)

Not really, all that would happen is a falcon would decloak next to the person, and then 10 WT would be pointing him in T3 cruisers when he was by himself.

Bump.