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Is Eve influenced by Babylon V?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2013-11-15 21:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
I have been watching the entire series from scratch and it seems to me that CCP devs who designed EVE way back in the day were serious Babylon V junkies. Pretty much the 4 races and 5th mesterious race Varlons (jove) and the sleepers are the shadows...


Just wondering if I can get a dev to confirm what me and my brother have observed.

even the myrmadon looks like a minbari Battle Crusier.

the narn are totally the minmatar

the Cintauri are the Ammar

Humans are the Caldari and Minbari are Galente.

Even the Idea for Yuli and concord sound like the Babylon Project for Galatic peace.

anyone up for a JOvian Sunrise?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#2 - 2013-11-15 22:06:00 UTC
I think that's a bit of a stretch.

Profit favors the prepared
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-11-15 22:10:39 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I have been watching the entire series from scratch and it seems to me that CCP devs who designed EVE way back in the day were serious Babylon V junkies. Pretty much the 4 races and 5th mesterious race Varlons (jove) and the sleepers are the shadows...


Just wondering if I can get a dev to confirm what me and my brother have observed.

even the myrmadon looks like a minbari Battle Crusier.

the narn are totally the minmatar

the Cintauri are the Ammar

Humans are the Caldari and Minbari are Galente.

Even the Idea for Yuli and concord sound like the Babylon Project for Galatic peace.

nope.jpg

Babylon 5 remains my favorite Science Fiction show of all time, and while ships like the Noctis and Myrmidon are clear homages to B5, Eve certainly isn't based on it.

Also, your misspellings of Centauri, Vorlons, Gallente, Yulai and Galactic (and others) are making my eyes itch.

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CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2013-11-15 22:16:42 UTC
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-15 22:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Eh, I'd be more inclined to say that they both used the same tropes of the genre (e.g. gates, big ships having jump drives, etc.) Just as an example, all of these "similarities" are also present in Master of Orion, which released in 1993, a full year before Babylon 5. Also the Minbari have FAR more in common with Ammar than they do with Gallente.

Recall that the minabari are, at any given time, one dead leader away from committing total hell death genocide against entire races.

Although the Minmatar and the Narn ....yeah...hell the ships even look similar.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#6 - 2013-11-15 22:19:15 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
I think that's a bit of a stretch.


If not based the heavily influenced

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Dunkle Lars
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-11-15 22:29:52 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



Tranquility: Independent bitek habitat germinated by Crown Prince of Kulu, Michael Saldana? From Peter F. Hamiltons "Night's Dawn Trilogy"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#8 - 2013-11-15 22:30:39 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Eh, I'd be more inclined to say that they both used the same tropes of the genre (e.g. gates, big ships having jump drives, etc.) Just as an example, all of these "similarities" are also present in Master of Orion, which released in 1993, a full year before Babylon 5. Also the Minbari have FAR more in common with Ammar than they do with Gallente.

Recall that the minabari are, at any given time, one dead leader away from committing total hell death genocide against entire races.

Although the Minmatar and the Narn ....yeah...hell the ships even look similar.


Indeed afaik the b5 bible was presented to universal studios back in 1988... so mao and b5 might have evolved from a singular idea.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#9 - 2013-11-15 22:31:50 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted


I had a feeling my brother will be stkoed he was right.

I just hope eve the show will be as good as b5...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
nyogen
Ninmu Seijaku
#10 - 2013-11-15 22:32:27 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



Firefly ?
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#11 - 2013-11-15 22:34:39 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



I will be so happy if this turns out to be Firefly. Or, for those that know the series better by the movie: Serenity.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#12 - 2013-11-15 22:37:56 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



I will be so happy if this turns out to be Firefly. Or, for those that know the series better by the movie: Serenity.


The time line fits

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2013-11-15 22:38:05 UTC
Dunkle Lars wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



Tranquility: Independent bitek habitat germinated by Crown Prince of Kulu, Michael Saldana? From Peter F. Hamiltons "Night's Dawn Trilogy"



This is correct. It is actually also based on the name of one of the alien ships in the Gap Cycle. The Gap Cycle is also the inspiration for a well known drug in the EVE-verse. Bonus bonus point if someone knows which Smile
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-11-15 22:39:29 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:

Indeed afaik the b5 bible was presented to universal studios back in 1988... so mao and b5 might have evolved from a singular idea.

I rather doubt it tbh. Stargates/jumpgates have been around since the late 50's in popular sci fi (example). Likewise the idea of using bigger ships to create their own jump portals, mass drivers (effectively big rail guns) as weapons, etc. has really been around sci fi circles for well over half a century by now.

The slaver/slave dynamic you see in the centauri/narn is also quite common in many works of the genre. B5 is one of my favorite sci fi shows, but in terms of the environment/background it really wasn't the first to the table.
CCP SoniClover
C C P
C C P Alliance
#15 - 2013-11-15 22:42:19 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



I will be so happy if this turns out to be Firefly. Or, for those that know the series better by the movie: Serenity.


As much as I love Firefly (and it is actually the only sci-fi I've managed to hook my wife on Smile), then sadly it came a bit too late to have much effect on the EVE lore, much of the key lore was already set by the time Firefly started in late 2002.

I just wish there were more episodes, sigh...
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#16 - 2013-11-15 23:01:14 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted


Peter Hamilton - Night's dawn trilogy
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#17 - 2013-11-15 23:04:51 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:

Indeed afaik the b5 bible was presented to universal studios back in 1988... so mao and b5 might have evolved from a singular idea.

I rather doubt it tbh. Stargates/jumpgates have been around since the late 50's in popular sci fi (example). Likewise the idea of using bigger ships to create their own jump portals, mass drivers (effectively big rail guns) as weapons, etc. has really been around sci fi circles for well over half a century by now.

The slaver/slave dynamic you see in the centauri/narn is also quite common in many works of the genre. B5 is one of my favorite sci fi shows, but in terms of the environment/background it really wasn't the first to the table.


I tip my hat to you good sir

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Medude
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-11-15 23:06:00 UTC
Always thought the mach had a rather vorlon look Big smile
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#19 - 2013-11-15 23:09:16 UTC
Medude wrote:
Always thought the mach had a rather vorlon look Big smile



And earth force totally look like minmatar with all those wingy bits.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#20 - 2013-11-15 23:15:11 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Dunkle Lars wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
I can confirm that many of us early developers were Babylon 5 fans. But I think the influence is fairly minimal, the only thing I can say for certain was an influence was the relationship between Minmatar and Amarr, which is similar to Narn and Centauri.

There are quite a few of those loose relations in EVE. Bonus points for the one who can name the sci-fi series that inspired the name of our London Server (Tranquility) Twisted



Tranquility: Independent bitek habitat germinated by Crown Prince of Kulu, Michael Saldana? From Peter F. Hamiltons "Night's Dawn Trilogy"



This is correct. It is actually also based on the name of one of the alien ships in the Gap Cycle. The Gap Cycle is also the inspiration for a well known drug in the EVE-verse. Bonus bonus point if someone knows which Smile

It is? Holy crap, I always wondered that since I play EVE.
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