Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As a primarily PvE pilot, I've greatly enjoyed flying my Caracal with RLMLs in missions, anomalies and escalations in which I have to deal with dozens of frigate-class ships with a smattering of cruiser-size targets. Anything smaller than a cruiser has trouble fitting the necessary tank, let alone fit a salvager/tractor/salvage drones; a larger ship often is not permitted, and standard mid-size weapon systems frequently cannot apply enough damage to small targets to be useful (at least, not without sacrificing a significant portion of tank, which defeats the purpose of bringing the larger hull to begin with). The cruiser using a juiced-up small weapon system is the perfect solution. I was looking forward to a similar solution for running some of the more advanced anomalies and L4 missions which focus on larger numbers of smaller elite targets; running them in a BC often is still problematic, while applying damage using cruise missiles or torpedoes is suboptimal at best. Drones can help to an extent, but still can't fully bridge the gap, especially not with the improved NPC AI. Being able to fit RHMLs to my Raven for such missions was a very appealing idea.
However, for my purposes (and yes, I realize that my playstyle does not constitute that of the larger subscription base) I feel the proposed mechanics for RMLs render them useless to me.
The biggest problem I see actually stems from missile flight time. For the sake of simplicity, let's assume a 5s cycle time on the launcher and 5k m/s velocity for the missiles. Unless you're being very careful, any target over 25km away will have at least one salvo en route when it explodes; anything over 50km, at least two salvos. With the current iteration, this isn't that big a deal, but for the new mechanics this would mean that 5-20% of your ammo capacity could easily be wasted *per target*...and then you hope you can survive the reload.
When I first found the RLMLs, I was ecstatic; I immediately tried to find similar systems for turret ships, but instead found that the "dual/quad $smallergun" turrets do not follow anything close to the same formula for being a viable means of combating numerous smaller ships from a larger hull. Is it intended that drones be the most, or perhaps even only, reasonable solution for this situation?

if this is not troll plz do us all a favor and push the self destruct button...

Plz increase mag size on the RHML , more like 40 would be way more useful.

The Devs would probably say "there are many other tools to successfully complete your complex available..."

Translation: "after about 2 months of training Drones and watching nothing actually fun get better (and paying us for the privilege) Drones are good enough to actually kill something, slowly... Then the 2 Drones for your Caracal bay really are worth $40...to us. When you realize this, you will spend another 2 months training for another ship to get it done (moar Drones!) but then realize you need 5 months of gunnery skills to make that fun. We profit. The End."

Alright.

If the missile systems mentioned in the OP would receive an overall DPS buff (1.5 times of what other missile systems of comparable size do) I could maybe imagine RLML and RHML as worthwhile.

Also, seeing as a T2 HML already fits around 40 missiles, it's rather preposterous to assume a larger launcher would only be able to load 28 missiles. Take the ammo capacity of the standard LML and HML, then buff rate of fire while nerfing reload speed.

Make it a truly devastating weapon - hell, give RHML fit Golems the ability to spike 2000-3000 DPS without factoring in reloads, with the caveat of having to wait for almost a minute once they've run dry.

Basically, survive the first barrage and stand a good chance of either burning away or obliterating your target - or continuously tanking the damage and repping up once they've shot their wad.

Also, this concept basically puts all Caldari missile boats at a disadvantage because they're only bonused for kinetic damage.

That's ok cause Caldari pilots only use kinetic when bonused. Ask Rise if you don't believe me.

How do people still think RLMLs gives cruiser sized DPS numbers. Vexors can hit 700DPS, Rail Thorax hits 500DPS... RLML Caracals hit 243dps with Faction Missiles and Warrior II's. (Nobody good uses Fury missiles against frigates)


There's a reason I'm getting less than 50% of a Thorax's DPS, and it's called a trade-off.

Really? How incredibly fortunate missile pilots are, being the only one's in game with 4 (four!) niche weapon systems:
- rapid light missiles
- rapid heavy missiles
- heavy missiles
- heavy assault missiles

Having that much luck soon they can expect two more niche systems coming:
- swarm rockets
- rapid cruise missiles

Train Caldari, the most specialized race in EvE.

If you are planning on nerfing this, without really trying to find a real way to fix them, (which they aren't OP anyway) then just get rid of them. 40s reload on a weapon system, that is just ridiculous, and I don't like where it could lead with other weapon system later on. Either find a REAL way to fit the issues you think the rapid launchers have WITHOUT adding 40s to relaod and taking the amount of missiles it holds away, or just get rid of them all together.

Sorry you are not in a blob in 0.0.
You do not matter.
No council representation for your playstyle.
No dev consideration for your playstyle.
You have to be stuck with 25% more grind in your mission.