EVE General Discussion

Null bears, worst bears.

I agree.

I initially liked the PvP there, was a nice change of pace from the carebearing in high-sec. But in the end, blobs are meh.

So now a days...station spin it is and occasional join a roam here and there just for ***** and giggles.

LOL, no.

Throwing out a suggestion for how to improve the game is NOT the same as telling someone they are "not really an Eve player" because they only mine.

That's why I specifically avoid labeling those who want to keep wardecs at their current price as "sociopaths" who rely on skill-less noobrape kills to pad their KB (since they can't actually pvp well) so they can feel good about themselves. That would be ad hominem, attacking the presenter instead of the argument. Like telling someone they're not a real Eve player.

If you want to actually win the argument, make a good case for wardecs being perfectly priced atm and sing the praises of CCP for getting it 100% right on their first attempt to balance it.

Oh and you still haven't answered the question I have asked you directly twice now... I'll repeat it again, since it's actually on topic, and as of yet avoided like the plague:

Why do you think CCP increased the cost of wardecs so dramatically if it was not to cut down on the number of frivolous wardecs?

Also, you accuse me of losing my credibility and thereby destroying any point I was making, when you're the guy who wants anyone who complains about Eve "permabanned?" I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

So still, you refuse to answer my question, for the third time. As for your "return" of the question, I asked for your OPINION, which you have flatly refused to give. You are asking me to PROVE what is inside the mind of CCP devs. I have no control over what they do, or of the statements they make. As far as I know, they have never issued a statement as to why the minimum cost of a wardec was raised from 2 mil to 50 mil. Yes, obviously the scaling increase in cost for corps bigger than 50 members is there to provide more insulation for large corps/alliances. But what about the minimum cost 10x increase? We are left to infer meaning from that. So, again, for the 4th time, what is your OPINION here? I'm not going to repeat the question a 4th time. Scroll up.



I am forcing my carebear ways? How exactly am I forcing CCP to do anything? Also, you haven't lost a ship in 2 years, by your own admission, and have been bearing it up in nullsec the entire time you have played Eve, or at least since you got bored of blobbing shortly after starting the game. According to some of your supporters, that means you're not even an Eve player.



Again, how am I forcing anyone to do anything? I am discussing the idea of increasing wardec costs further. I don't see anyone being forced by me to do anything at all. I am glad to see you admit that you are NOT a PVP player. So in essence, you are speaking about a subject which you have absolutely no experience. You moved to nullsec almost immediately. You don't PVP. What exactly do you have to offer in terms of meaningful experience with the highsec wardec system, given your Eve experience? Have you ever wardecced anyone? Has anyone ever wardecced you?

Do you even lift?



Exactly. Thank you for making my point for me. Wardec costs, even after CCP's increase, are trivial at 50m to dec any corp up to 50 players. So why not raise the cost of wardecs so that "they" are a bit less cavalier with wardecs, and are therefore not just wardeccing anyone who doesn't bend over in the face of their mighty epeen? Like you said, for an even remotely clever solo player, a couple bil is nothing, so why not charge something meaningful for wardecs on small corps?



At least I've played Eve, instead of bearing it up in nullsec for 2 years behind someone else's gatecamp.

And let me just reinstate something. Your corp has 2 peopel on it. No o group woudl war dec you for economically effective reasons. If someoen war decs a 2 man corp, its because someoen HATES you, and or you made someoen mad. WHen thah happens, not even 1 bil would keep you safe.


So these very actions of yours here at this thread are likley increasing tenfold the ammount of time you will spend under war in this game.

And when I say you are not an eve players if you are abhoratn of PVP I am not attackign the rpesenteer of an argument. Simply becaus eyou LACK an argument! When you got into this game you got in a game with a presmisse, SANDBOX, where PVP is central and all encompassing.

You are the one thas need to PROVE anything, you are the one trying to break the "contract and the status quo".


You sir, are the one with no clue and that is NOT AN EVE PLAYER!

Right, so why not bump the cost from 50 mil min to 1 bil min? Thank you to the second person to prove my point.

BEcause th epoint of war is NOT That! Th epoint of wardecs is to be an economical activity!!!

That is why we pay 50 mil for corps around 30-40 memtbers. Because that is when it becomes economically NEUTRAL.

You sire, clearly has no CLUE! You did not even oinvolve yourself in this facet of the game and want to push your clueless opinions.

Here in my country that is called " You caught the bus already running and still demands to sit at the window".

AGAIN, learn to read. We declare wars to make money and to have good fights. A 2 man corp never supply that. THe only other reason we woudl dec you is because you made one of us angry (somethign you are doing right now btw). and ONLY on this last case, the cost woudl not matter.

How does increasing wardec costs make Eve NOT a "harsh world?" If the minimum wardec cost was 1 bil, it would still be a harsh world. It was still a harsh world when the cost increased from 2 million to 50 million. Like you and your pal said, 1 bil is nothing, so how can you argue it would change things so dramatically? I'm looking straight up bro, and I still don't see the sky falling. Maybe you should double check.

False equivalence bullcrap lol. ideas (like people) are inherently unequal. Some great, some terrible, most falling somewhere in between.

Ideas that go counter to what EVE is, what has made EVE great for hundreds of thousands of people and that has allowed EVE to survive whole other games die are BAD ideas. Good ideas are the ones that responsibly serve the game, it's community and it's maker (CCP) AS A WHOLE.

This isn't burger king and no you can't just have it your way.

When CCP increased wardecs from min 2 mil to min 50 mil, was that a bad idea? If they increased wardecs from 50 mil to 100 mil min, would that be a bad idea? Answer and explain your reasoning.