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In your opinion, what makes a pvper 'good' ?

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1 - 2013-11-14 21:54:44 UTC
An interesting question which I am asking myself lately and it seems that it can be quite tricky to answer.

Opinion differ, tastes differ and it appears that the matter in question seems to have no clear answer. So instead of answering the question, I like to make a query of your thoughts about the matter.

There is no right or wrong answer, just your opinions about this topic.

And just to be clear, I am not a 'good' pvper and I never claimed I was.

Thank you in advance for your input,

e2

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Mel Function
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-11-14 22:48:24 UTC
Can probably put it in one word: Experience
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#3 - 2013-11-14 22:51:58 UTC
Having fun,

Not giving a shite about KB stats, K/D ratios etc

Being able to pick a fight and know what actually when on during the fight and identify why if was won or lost.

Looking boody damn handsome (like me Lol)

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#4 - 2013-11-14 23:02:41 UTC
Ability to post ascii art in local.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#5 - 2013-11-14 23:15:51 UTC
Technical piloting skill, knowledge of ships and fits, knowledge of environment and likely opponents, aggression, situational awareness, and metaphorical balls.
God's Apples
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#6 - 2013-11-14 23:23:25 UTC
You should ask chessur

"Hydra Reloaded are just jealous / butthurt on me / us because we can get tons of PVP action in empire while they aren't good enough to get that." - NightmareX

Chi Garu
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-14 23:23:26 UTC
Winning against the odds and playing one move ahead of the competition, forcing errors. Applies to both individuals and teams.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-11-14 23:28:13 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Ability to post ascii art in local.

Show me where the TESTies touched you

Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything.
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
#9 - 2013-11-14 23:37:25 UTC
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Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#10 - 2013-11-14 23:42:22 UTC
Killmails and enjoyment. Oh, and I'm obligated by being in QCats to say BC points, as well.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#11 - 2013-11-15 00:30:05 UTC
information

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#12 - 2013-11-15 00:38:21 UTC
Keep 'em coming.

Thank you!

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#13 - 2013-11-15 00:40:28 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Ability to post ascii art in local.

Show me where the TESTies touched you
Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything.

I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said

"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2013-11-15 00:50:02 UTC
I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2013-11-15 00:51:51 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:


I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said

"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"


Hey I thought that too..

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Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#16 - 2013-11-15 04:07:29 UTC
Know yourself and the enemy. Always have situational awareness.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-15 06:26:18 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Ability to post ascii art in local.

Show me where the TESTies touched you
Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything.

I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said

"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"

I agree, but we've been using this since the dawn of time. Still though, why don't you just appreciate the artistic value of this? All I ever see from galmil is either some crappy ms paint corp logo - or ascii taken from our wiki. Step it up
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#18 - 2013-11-15 07:54:23 UTC
Very difficult question, because normally when we say 'good' at something we think of it as being high skilled/having high proficiency at and deep understanding of the activity concerned.

So normally we measure how 'good' someone is by how much they 'win' (e.g. the best team in a league is the team with the most wins).

But as you may have anticipated already, even in football league you often hear fans say 'team X won the league but they were not the best team'. Quantitatively this is wrong, but such is the sentiments of football fans at times - win/loss ratio and numbers don't tell the whole story about quality of someone/team.

And now, think about EvE. After all, it is a game. What is the purpose of a game? For some people the purpose is to win, for them, the kill/loss ratio or isk won/lost, or territory gained/lost, strategic location control won/lost and all these things would define a 'good' pvper and be a measurement of one's matery of the game.

However, of course there are people who think the purpose of a game is 'to have fun'. For them, a 'good' game is where you had your fun & enjoyment, although you may have lost that game (like a football team can play a really good game and still lose the match).

So a 'good' pvper can be someone who 'wins', regardless of methods used, or someone who had 'fun' regardless of win or loss.

It is difficult to compare two players' abilities if they are each going for different goals.

I guess at the end of the day though, it all boils down to how successful you are at achieving your goal. For someone who enjoys a good brawl, win or lose, is a 'winner' if he gets the fight he wants and goes down in flames. But if the same person got blobbed and jammed to death without a single shot fired, then that's definitely a fail - he did something wrong to be in that situation and didn't get the fun brawl he wanted.

Long winded story cut short - maybe this means a good pvper is someone that has a knack for finding kind of fights he wants?
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#19 - 2013-11-15 08:29:03 UTC
the one who has something to fight for. that guy is in for the long haul.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."

Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#20 - 2013-11-15 10:30:47 UTC
Ability to achieve mission objective.
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