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so the concept of 1v1 , i think its TABOO nowadays

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2013-11-14 23:08:56 UTC
Ask for 1v1 in local. Many Gallente corps require anybody agreeing to a 1v1 to honor it.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#22 - 2013-11-14 23:10:10 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
The problem with 1v1's is killboards.

Take away killboards, killmails... job done. PVP sorted.

'But OMG alliances will be able to lie about kills'

Oh right? So, when wars are waged in life we get killmail stats for kills and nobody lies right? Who cares, is not the victor the guy with space and the assets? Who cares if they lost a lot to get what they fought for...

I'll get shot down for this but kill stats is what fucks games up and brings in the complete nerd brigade who **** talk up chats and forums. Your spoils for a kill should be the mods it holds and the salvage you get. The territory won or the strategic location fought over.

'Christine you scrub, how am I supposed to look awesome with my fleet kills and 98% efficiency'

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA no one cares but your stats but you, think about it.


Completely agree with this in regards to eve in general.

I do however like my personal KB so I can look at my past fights or ship fits or usages. Couldn't care less about k/d, efficency rates etc

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-11-14 23:14:42 UTC
Galmil are more than happy to 1v1, as long as their double links are up. Sometimes they have a cloaked alt sitting somewhere, for good measure. I've given up on 1v1s and am now happily farming in stabbed frigates
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#24 - 2013-11-14 23:49:26 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:

All QCats who accept a 1v1 are required to honor it, we tell our guys "honored 1v1" or some shenanigans like that and they stay docked/chasing other targets/whatever.

Andre and Hrett hit the nail on the head apart from that.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#25 - 2013-11-15 00:10:00 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
The problem with 1v1's is killboards.

Take away killboards, killmails... job done. PVP sorted.

'But OMG alliances will be able to lie about kills'

Oh right? So, when wars are waged in life we get killmail stats for kills and nobody lies right? Who cares, is not the victor the guy with space and the assets? Who cares if they lost a lot to get what they fought for...

I'll get shot down for this but kill stats is what fucks games up and brings in the complete nerd brigade who **** talk up chats and forums. Your spoils for a kill should be the mods it holds and the salvage you get. The territory won or the strategic location fought over.

'Christine you scrub, how am I supposed to look awesome with my fleet kills and 98% efficiency'

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA no one cares but your stats but you, think about it.




i must say i 100% agree with this

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#26 - 2013-11-15 02:28:57 UTC
1v1 in an MMO.

What a great idea......
Xiderpunk
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-11-15 02:30:42 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Galmil are more than happy to 1v1, as long as their double links are up. Sometimes they have a cloaked alt sitting somewhere, for good measure. I've given up on 1v1s and am now happily farming in stabbed frigates


Interesting, your killboard seems to be missing any 1v1's at all, just fleet kills?
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#28 - 2013-11-15 03:53:01 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
1v1 in an MMO.

What a great idea......


As my old wing chun master used to say.

'When fighting an army of 10,000 you do so one at a time.....you just have to do it quickly!'

So when out solo'ing you are always 1v1'ing if you do it right Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-11-15 06:30:39 UTC
Xiderpunk wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Galmil are more than happy to 1v1, as long as their double links are up. Sometimes they have a cloaked alt sitting somewhere, for good measure. I've given up on 1v1s and am now happily farming in stabbed frigates


Interesting, your killboard seems to be missing any 1v1's at all, just fleet kills?

"I've given up on 1v1s" might be why. I've also been playing skill queue online for the better part of the last week or so, no time for kb stat padding
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
#30 - 2013-11-15 07:43:10 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Morgan Torry wrote:
OP's use of grammar has me wanting to gouge my eyes out. I must go sacrifice . I'll freely say that I've lied to honor a 1v1 if I knew the guy flew with faction points or was in a shiny pirate frig. It's that simple. The issue is not 1v1s. It's thinking there's honor.


Just because you are a lieing scum bucket doesn't translate into everyone being as douchey as you. Many many people in Gal Mil will honor a 1 v 1, there are even some in Caldari. It is too bad you aren't one of them.


Holy cow did that escalate quickly. Get over your feeling of righteousness and play the game. If I'm in a CNH alone and a Dram comes after me I'll fight it without calling for help. But if I have my buddies one jump, or even a plex, over and the same thing happens, it's the Dram's fault for the risk. In most cases few people ask for 1v1s privately so "honoring" a 1v1 is implied and not explicit. If anyone convos me and asks for one I've yet to go back on that agreement. That said, there's plenty on your side of the field who have lied to me even with a privately arranged fight. It's the toils of war and deal with it. See my kb for history. Plenty of 1v1s, 1v5s, and 5v1s. That's because I play the game and don't blind myself to anything else.

In my later post I even said how respect is the driving factor in the warzone, and not honor. Respect is what has been gained between those that fight each other daily, not honor. No one in lowsec is honorable. If they are, they are either white knights or RPers who haven't moved back to high yet.

That said, Ibanez brings up a good point. The entire game is centered around specialized ships, fleet combat, and fleet skilling and coordination. It is an MMO with an emphasis on "Massively" due to the single server universe. Accept this, and become a calmer and more patient person.

Arma Purgatorium - What is Podded May Never Die

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#31 - 2013-11-15 15:05:47 UTC
QCATs always honor 1v1's. Just be sure to ask before the fight and not after it's started :)
Hit us up in any local or make your way to Nisuwa.


Personally I love getting blobbed. It always makes me feel loved. Plus it mean more kills (and BC points) for me.

nom nom

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#32 - 2013-11-15 15:35:37 UTC
I don't even enjoy 1v1's.

Hardly ever do that.

pvp becomes way more fun when you stop trying to find 1v1's and instead try to find ways to beat 1v2's 1v3's and up.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-11-15 16:29:53 UTC
1v1s in EVE are fundamentally stupid.

I seriously do not understand this obsession with 1v1s in an MMO that is supposed to be the most lawless and unscripted game out there. It's kill or be killed, how you do it is up to you. Everyone can rage that they got blobbed, ECMed, whatever, but at the end of the day, you're still in your ship and they're not. That's what it is about.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#34 - 2013-11-15 18:42:22 UTC
Just because u don't like it doesnt mean anyone else share your feelings about it. By all means go get yourself blown up by 20 people over and over if that is fun for you

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#35 - 2013-11-15 18:47:43 UTC
You don't have to understand it. Some people get insane amounts of enjoyment from a proper 1v1. I know I use to, now I'd rather hunt, force fights and counter blobs with small gangs.

Everyone plays the game how they want to, that's the beauty of Eve.Big smile

Julius Foederatus wrote:
1v1s in EVE are fundamentally stupid.

I seriously do not understand this obsession with 1v1s in an MMO that is supposed to be the most lawless and unscripted game out there. It's kill or be killed, how you do it is up to you. Everyone can rage that they got blobbed, ECMed, whatever, but at the end of the day, you're still in your ship and they're not. That's what it is about.

nom nom

Novacrow
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-11-15 21:03:21 UTC
Eliana LaFey wrote:
I enjoy both solo and fleet PvP and I have no issues finding targets in solo. There's a few things to consider.

Do you want to be the spider in the web or do you want to be the one to jump in on people? From my perspective, people going INTO plexes where there's already another player, are the ones looking for a fight. That means people who go into plexes are generally more experienced, has a good amount of SP or are just plain stupid. Which ever one it is, it gives the people not looking to PvP enough reason to bail out, as you can fairly assume the guy warping in to you is confident he can take the fight.

So what does this mean? You can be the guy warping from plex to plex, hoping that someone stays for a fight (I know multiple people who make this work), or you can be the spider, who waits for these guys to come in (and at the same time make some good LP!). Myself, I prefer the spider method. Pick a healthy offensive system, start plexing and sooner or later you're going to have people warping in to your plex, looking for a fight.

I know this works from experience, as I do it every day.

My prob when I do this is three ppl on scan instead of just 1...every damn time
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#37 - 2013-11-16 20:12:17 UTC
Novacrow wrote:

My prob when I do this is three ppl on scan instead of just 1...every damn time


That's when you OH everything and charge!!! Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#38 - 2013-11-16 20:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
ZheoTheThird wrote:
"I've given up on 1v1s" might be why. I've also been playing skill queue online for the better part of the last week or so, no time for kb stat padding


That's a pity, because TEST have a number of members happy to 1v1 and they seem to be enjoying it since joining FW.

To OP, I solo roam on a daily basis along the route between Ostingele and Old Man Star and in my experience, finding good 1v1s takes a bit of patience and good target selection, but there is a lot of it available.

There's also the bait ships and blobs that will hit you, but for me each of those experiences is part of the learning process too.

I liked the spider v jumper explanation up thread and I tend to be a jumper more than a spider. I find the best way to get good 1v1s is to sit safe somewhere within scan range of the plexes and use d-scan to watch what is going on in system and what ships are there.

I also find I'll stick in systems that have <10 pilots in them. That way, while I'm scanning and watching, I can also look up the profiles and killboards of the other pilots. Often that will tell me whether there is a likely bait/blob and who is flying what ship (eg. Corps give a good indication you'll face >1 target, Russian pilots often have profiles written in russian or a asciiart version of the russian flag, and they'll often name their ship in russian; killboards often give a good indication of what ship someone is flying, etc....).

Using this combination it's usually relatively easy to identify who's flying what and whether they'll provide a 1v1 fight in a system.

I find if I solo in an assault frigate, it's much harder to find 1v1s because more people will warp out of a plex when you arrive, I mostly stick to factional frigates, but find lots of others flying other T1 frigates.

So in my experience it takes a bit of patience, but it's worth it in the end. I also roam in fleets, but since I'm relatively new to the game, have found solo roaming a good way to build my own skills so I can work in fleet better.

It's definitely possible, at least in the GalCal warspace.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#39 - 2013-11-17 04:46:30 UTC
Thank you for all the good info and help from the people that give a damn about these things , just goes to show that eve unlike other mmo's have good people aswell .


On a more further note i'd like to add that , i'm not shy or afraid to say that i make my money in eve from fw aswell , or atleast im trying .. so to that extent , ofc i am lookin more for inside plex fights . The ideea is that , i go in a system , open up a plex and in the time i try to run it down if an oportunity for a fight presents itself ( and if i calculate based on information that i have a chance ) i will stay and fight , and if not atleast im makin some lp to fund my future pvp. Its not that diferent from all the farmers in fw i know , but at the same time it is because im not stabbed nor cloacked and am really lookin forward to a good fight .

Thus bringing me back to my original rant that most often its not only just the 1 guy that wants to take me on , its his friends aswell . But after carefully reading all the info above i quickly understood that maybe im overreacting ( surely ) and thats just how the game/meta is right now .. so whats left to do then , but change my tactic and thinkin on the matter or at the very least try to kill one before i die lol .

Im pretty sure by now thats how most pvp'ers in fw do it , or atleast those that really do PvP and not pretend to be pvp'ers .

So thanks guys , and il see u on the field , props to gallente fleets for always bringin good fights .

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#40 - 2013-11-17 04:59:04 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Thank you for all the good info and help from the people that give a damn about these things , just goes to show that eve unlike other mmo's have good people aswell .


On a more further note i'd like to add that , i'm not shy or afraid to say that i make my money in eve from fw aswell , or atleast im trying .. so to that extent , ofc i am lookin more for inside plex fights . The ideea is that , i go in a system , open up a plex and in the time i try to run it down if an oportunity for a fight presents itself ( and if i calculate based on information that i have a chance ) i will stay and fight , and if not atleast im makin some lp to fund my future pvp. Its not that diferent from all the farmers in fw i know , but at the same time it is because im not stabbed nor cloacked and am really lookin forward to a good fight .

Thus bringing me back to my original rant that most often its not only just the 1 guy that wants to take me on , its his friends aswell . But after carefully reading all the info above i quickly understood that maybe im overreacting ( surely ) and thats just how the game/meta is right now .. so whats left to do then , but change my tactic and thinkin on the matter or at the very least try to kill one before i die lol .

Im pretty sure by now thats how most pvp'ers in fw do it , or atleast those that really do PvP and not pretend to be pvp'ers .

So thanks guys , and il see u on the field , props to gallente fleets for always bringin good fights .


IMO you are doing FW 'right'. Go out, run the plex while waiting for fights. if none turn up you have just earned yourself a few faction frigs for your time. If you get a fight then you also are having fun so keep doing that.

The key is your second point though. You are solo. so looking for 1v1's as an ideal however don't shy away if a couple of targets show up in your short scanner. Depending on your setup and what your opponents (note I say opponents rather than enemy as a lot of the people I fight I'm very friendly with Twisted) show up in. Maybe move off the button away from the warp in if you have a brawler and a kiter show up. See if you can seperate them and kill off the fast kitey ship first before deciding to have a go at the brawler. Even sit on the warp in and try and catch the kitey before he has time to pull range. Then attack the brawler.

A lot of the time you can engage 1v2, 1v3 in plex that you are setup in with a bit of quick thinking etc. Also you are way more likely to get a GF if you don't restrict yourself to 1v1's.

Get out there and fly dangerous, cos safe is boring o7

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.