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"Good Caldari, Bad Caldari..."
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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#41 - 2013-11-14 16:41:23 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Network graphs aren't networks? I feel robbed :(


Actually doctor a network graph is a very good tool to map cultural traits and trace back behaviours that might have a common origin.

You could do this for the state, or you could overlay this on the entire cluster. It would provide some very interesting insight however I do feel it would all still be trying to look to the past instead of, as mentioned before, adapting to what the future might bring.

But where are the relation heuristics? :(

Oh.

Ohh.

I could just make some.


I believe at this point and time we are already using objective stereotyping to find relationships between "good" and "bad" Caldari, it is a place to start.

ॐ
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#42 - 2013-11-14 16:47:25 UTC
Good and bad Caldari? I'm studying graph branching algorithms.

Oh, right. Yes, that. I'm not much of a social scientist outside of the lab. Unless you'd like a discussion on drone social behaviour.
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#43 - 2013-11-14 16:51:13 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Good and bad Caldari? I'm studying graph branching algorithms.

Oh, right. Yes, that. I'm not much of a social scientist outside of the lab. Unless you'd like a discussion on drone social behaviour.


Actually, how about we meet up for something like that, because I actually am interested in that.

ॐ
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#44 - 2013-11-14 16:56:42 UTC
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Good and bad Caldari? I'm studying graph branching algorithms.

Oh, right. Yes, that. I'm not much of a social scientist outside of the lab. Unless you'd like a discussion on drone social behaviour.


Actually, how about we meet up for something like that, because I actually am interested in that.

I can get you clearance for Dronehaus if you want to come see my babies :)
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2013-11-14 17:34:07 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Anybody who claims to understand Caldari culture is lying. Especially if they are Caldari.


I tend to find that thinking about being Caldari is a bit like thinking about breathing. The dissection of it interrupts it's continuation, somewhat.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#46 - 2013-11-14 19:08:08 UTC
I'd agree that explaining it to outsiders can be quite tough.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2013-11-14 19:32:03 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
I'd agree that explaining it to outsiders can be quite tough.


I like to think I know it when I see it, though.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2013-11-14 19:56:10 UTC
Those threads about being Matari or Caldari, and this hyper-obsession over cultural identity, often makes one wonder if the clear, artificial distinction between natives and strangers as an excuse to elude the crux of the matter in public, is not actually a way to build artificial walls behind which said natives willfully hide because they are themselves looking for what truly is to be a true Caldari, or a true Matari...

Mhhh.
Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-11-14 23:56:51 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Erys Charantes wrote:
To put it simply... People will believe, and proclaim, absolutely anything that supports their ends. Those taking the time to try and convince others such is not the case, are either lying, or deluded.


A good thing then that I have no ends but my duty and obligations, and am one of the honest few with no agenda to hide or words to lie.

As you say.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#50 - 2013-11-15 00:13:40 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Those threads about being Matari or Caldari, and this hyper-obsession over cultural identity, often makes one wonder if the clear, artificial distinction between natives and strangers as an excuse to elude the crux of the matter in public, is not actually a way to build artificial walls behind which said natives willfully hide because they are themselves looking for what truly is to be a true Caldari, or a true Matari...

Mhhh.


Do you like cognac?

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#51 - 2013-11-15 00:34:50 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Those threads about being Matari or Caldari, and this hyper-obsession over cultural identity, often makes one wonder if the clear, artificial distinction between natives and strangers as an excuse to elude the crux of the matter in public, is not actually a way to build artificial walls behind which said natives willfully hide because they are themselves looking for what truly is to be a true Caldari, or a true Matari...

Mhhh.


No, we only do this to exclude the likes of you.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#52 - 2013-11-15 02:09:02 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
Anybody who claims to understand Caldari culture is lying. Especially if they are Caldari.

What a load of BS.


While I won't attempt to judge if Hakatain-haan's statement is at all objectively correct, or attempt to profess any personal understanding as to what the true essences of Caldari Culture are and if indeed there is a "true" set of values from which all others are deviations (Or "Heresies", if you'll forgive the slightly crude analogy for which I intend no negative connotations), I will say that I have seen less sunsets then I have heard definitions of what it means to be "Caldari". And I mean from State-raised individuals, not foreigners.

Though obviously, the devil is always in the details, not the overall ideas.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-11-15 05:14:03 UTC
In regards to foreign affairs, a "Good" Caldari just wants their State to be left alone with it's assets, people, and territory safe and secure.

"Bad" Caldari are those who wish to expand aggressively, to begin conflicts and wage war, to spread messages of hate and fanaticism and in a twist of poetic irony, become the very things that the Caldari originally found upsetting about the Federation.

As I always say. The story of Heth and the Provist is the story of trying to prove to the cluster that the Caldari are supreme, that they will succeed wherever the Federation has failed. Yet similar to the ancient tragic dramas, the only thing they managed to prove was that the Caldari were no less fallible than we were.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-11-15 05:37:33 UTC

Good Caldari. The one that pays me on time.

Bad Caldari. The one who has a corpse floating in the heat-less void for not paying me on time.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2013-11-15 06:25:31 UTC
Whoa, watch out. We clearly have quite the badass here.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#56 - 2013-11-15 07:44:18 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:

Good Caldari. The one that pays me on time.

Bad Caldari. The one who has a corpse floating in the heat-less void for not paying me on time.

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Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#57 - 2013-11-15 14:22:24 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:

Good Caldari. The one that pays me on time.

Bad Caldari. The one who has a corpse floating in the heat-less void for not paying me on time.



That beard is way to styled to be a good Caldari, are you sure you haven't been watching those Gallentean makeover shows beau?

ॐ
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2013-11-15 23:21:19 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Those threads about being Matari or Caldari, and this hyper-obsession over cultural identity, often makes one wonder if the clear, artificial distinction between natives and strangers as an excuse to elude the crux of the matter in public, is not actually a way to build artificial walls behind which said natives willfully hide because they are themselves looking for what truly is to be a true Caldari, or a true Matari...

Mhhh.


Do you like cognac?


What ? Why ?

Desiderya wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Those threads about being Matari or Caldari, and this hyper-obsession over cultural identity, often makes one wonder if the clear, artificial distinction between natives and strangers as an excuse to elude the crux of the matter in public, is not actually a way to build artificial walls behind which said natives willfully hide because they are themselves looking for what truly is to be a true Caldari, or a true Matari...

Mhhh.


No, we only do this to exclude the likes of you.


I apologize if I hit a nerve... It was not intended.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2013-11-15 23:24:41 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Those threads about being Matari or Caldari, and this hyper-obsession over cultural identity, often makes one wonder if the clear, artificial distinction between natives and strangers as an excuse to elude the crux of the matter in public, is not actually a way to build artificial walls behind which said natives willfully hide because they are themselves looking for what truly is to be a true Caldari, or a true Matari...

Mhhh.


Do you like cognac?


What ? Why ?


Just wondering. Big smile

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2013-11-15 23:49:55 UTC
I am afraid that I am not much into alcoholic beverages and self-inebriation...

But I really do not understand what this has to do with the matter at hand ?