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Why mining is pointless and how to make it worth the time

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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#21 - 2013-11-14 14:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Komodo Askold wrote:

Em, I think I'm not understanding... (not trolling, seriously) Let's say I have a BPC of Whatever, a T1 one (only minerals). I have 2 choices: a) buy all the minerals from the market; b) mine ore and refine it to minerals.
If I go a), I'd see the cost of all the minerals is very close to that of the Whatever I'm building, on the market.
If I go b)... isn't the net cost almost zero? Not taking into account the BPC cost and mining crystals cost if you use them, all the rest of the total cost goes inside the minerals I got for free in a belt, or from reprocessing stuff...

Also, when I finished the Dominix I only had 25 M isk less in my wallet, not 170 M...

Really, I don't understand your statement :S

You seem to be under impression that minerals you mine yourself are free and that is wrong unless you dont value your time spent on mining. Also it is possible that selling all those minerals/ore on market may net you more ISK than if you try to build things yourself due to lack of skills(with less efficient production you spend more minerals = additional cost) and additional cost from buying BPC.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-11-14 15:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Angeal MacNova wrote:
I'll have to take a look at this in the game as it is something I never noticed.

Sorry but a module (packaged) should take up no less than the same volume than the minerals it is made up of. Provided were talking perfect refinement.


it currently is the same, but why should it a assambled chair needs more volume to place than an unassembled one

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Komodo Askold wrote:

Em, I think I'm not understanding... (not trolling, seriously) Let's say I have a BPC of Whatever, a T1 one (only minerals). I have 2 choices: a) buy all the minerals from the market; b) mine ore and refine it to minerals.
If I go a), I'd see the cost of all the minerals is very close to that of the Whatever I'm building, on the market.
If I go b)... isn't the net cost almost zero? Not taking into account the BPC cost and mining crystals cost if you use them, all the rest of the total cost goes inside the minerals I got for free in a belt, or from reprocessing stuff...

Also, when I finished the Dominix I only had 25 M isk less in my wallet, not 170 M...

Really, I don't understand your statement :S

You seen to be under impression that minerals you mine yourself are free and that is wrong unless you dont value your time spent on mining. Also it is possible that selling all those minerals/ore on market may net you more ISK than if you try to build things yourself due to lack of skills(with less efficient production you spend more minerals = additional cost) and additional cost from buying BPC.


actually i had 2 hulls with perfect production skills + high researched bpo (cruiser) i think me 70 it was which netted me -1M ISK on the market after production but like i said i did that calculation over a year ago.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#23 - 2013-11-14 15:48:44 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Komodo Askold wrote:

Em, I think I'm not understanding... (not trolling, seriously) Let's say I have a BPC of Whatever, a T1 one (only minerals). I have 2 choices: a) buy all the minerals from the market; b) mine ore and refine it to minerals.
If I go a), I'd see the cost of all the minerals is very close to that of the Whatever I'm building, on the market.
If I go b)... isn't the net cost almost zero? Not taking into account the BPC cost and mining crystals cost if you use them, all the rest of the total cost goes inside the minerals I got for free in a belt, or from reprocessing stuff...

Also, when I finished the Dominix I only had 25 M isk less in my wallet, not 170 M...

Really, I don't understand your statement :S

You seen to be under impression that minerals you mine yourself are free and that is wrong unless you dont value your time spent on mining. Also it is possible that selling all those minerals/ore on market may net you more ISK than if you try to build things yourself due to lack of skills(with less efficient production you spend more minerals = additional cost) and additional cost from buying BPC.


^^ This is spot on.... but a point needs emphasis:

The WORK you perform to mine minerals and the time/skill it takes to assemble those minerals into an Item is NOT worthless.

To put it in another perspective: If my car breaks down, and I take a day off "work" to fix it. Am I better off because I only spent money on parts, or am I worse off because I lost a days pay (which is more than the cost of the mechanic), not to mention spent time figuring out a problem I'm not very versed in (car repairs).

Do it yourself projects are good, they build character, but they aren't "free". You do them because you enjoy the do-it-yourself satisfaction.

Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#24 - 2013-11-14 16:37:39 UTC
Mining your own minerals does not make them free. Please stop drinking window cleaner.

People who don't understand how to properly monetize their time investment and/or the opportunity cost of using the minerals they mine as opposed to selling them are the leading reason why the shipbuilding industry is so ridiculously unprofitable compared to what it should be.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#25 - 2013-11-14 19:32:52 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:

You seem to be under impression that minerals you mine yourself are free and that is wrong unless you dont value your time spent on mining. Also it is possible that selling all those minerals/ore on market may net you more ISK than if you try to build things yourself due to lack of skills(with less efficient production you spend more minerals = additional cost) and additional cost from buying BPC.


Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
^^ This is spot on.... but a point needs emphasis:

The WORK you perform to mine minerals and the time/skill it takes to assemble those minerals into an Item is NOT worthless.

To put it in another perspective: If my car breaks down, and I take a day off "work" to fix it. Am I better off because I only spent money on parts, or am I worse off because I lost a days pay (which is more than the cost of the mechanic), not to mention spent time figuring out a problem I'm not very versed in (car repairs).

Do it yourself projects are good, they build character, but they aren't "free". You do them because you enjoy the do-it-yourself satisfaction.


Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Mining your own minerals does not make them free. Please stop drinking window cleaner.

People who don't understand how to properly monetize their time investment and/or the opportunity cost of using the minerals they mine as opposed to selling them are the leading reason why the shipbuilding industry is so ridiculously unprofitable compared to what it should be.


I now see your point: value of time.

Yes, I completely agree with you all. While I mostly always take time invested into account on whatever I do (I study engineering after all), on that particular case I didn't, only because of the following reason: I can only play about 2 hours a day, before going to bed. After a whole day of work, I mostly don't care how I play my favourite game, may it be running some missions, mining, doing some exploration... For me, in this case, time invested wasn't that much of an issue. I also enjoy the process itself: planning stuff on EVE is quite enjoyable on itself, at least for me, and, as Gizznitt Malikite said, 'do it yourself' projects are nice too.

But I went too much on my particular case and didn't consider your approach to the matter. Apologies for that. Still, thank you all for your comments, you just gave me an useful lesson.

Btw, I don't drink window cleaner (I think so...).
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#26 - 2013-11-14 19:56:33 UTC
Komodo Askold wrote:
Btw, I don't drink window cleaner (I think so...).

Antifreeze coolant liquid?

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Elsbeth Taron
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-11-14 20:08:36 UTC
If mining is pointless don't do it; do something else.

If you want to mine then accept you are doing something pointless; no need for daft solutions to a problem that doesn't exist.

If you don't believe mining to be pointless then you won't need daft solutions as you won't have a problem.

Simple reasoning solves this nonexistent problem without any alterations to the game.

(c) 2013 ET
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#28 - 2013-11-14 20:20:21 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Komodo Askold wrote:
Btw, I don't drink window cleaner (I think so...).

Antifreeze coolant liquid?

Perhaps... Although it can be that damn capsule goo. Floating inside it in zero-g for so much time makes it end up where it shouldn't.
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