EVE General Discussion

Why don't they add a new (T2) Battleship that can fit XL weapons and has bonuses/slot lay outs that allow it to do massive damage against super capitals while being utterly ineffective and even vulnerable against anything else.
These new T2 should be compared to battleships the way stealth bomber is compared to frigates.

If anything, the counter to Capitals shouldn't come from a bigger size class but from a smaller one.

It's either that or the nerfbat against Super carriers.

You seem confused on the escalation. Side A drops Supers, Side B drops dreads? In order to escalate the fight side B should have dropped a larger number of Supers.....

That's the only real issue in your scenario , one side is afraid to drop Supers, the other is not. Is this a balance issue? Seems more like an issue with intestinal fortitude.

Or you can put 9000 homeless peeps in megas and blob de sun.

Supers dont really fight supers do they.. have they ever? I am not sure why this is, help me out.

Currently I am a capital pilot, I can fly a carrier which I understand the role of and its intended use, it does it well as a logistics platform. My logical progression would be to train into a supercarrier but I am confused by its role. It does the same thing a regular carrier does minus drones but adding massive dps..

If you grind enough you can buy a supercarrier/titan pilot and the ship. not going to show you how a person could run incursions or lvl V missions for 2 years and make enough isk.

And crash the node, but mynnna is right, T2 battle ships would be to expensive.

We need a cheaper solution.

I've not had this toon for 2 years and yet with a good incursion fleet I can easily earn 100-200 mill an hour and not only afford the super within a few months but also the pimped out toon to fly it. 30 bill for a supercarrier barely even classifies as a grind imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLqb-m1ZZUA this video says otherwise, skip to 3:51 battle of asakai

There are several unique problems with capitals and super capitals:

1) Because of cyno mechanic they brake normal counterbalance between progression of mobility and combat power.

To illustrate the point frigates have less DPS and tank then cruisers but travel faster then them, and in turn cruisers have less DPS and tank then BS, but in return have better mobility then BS. Even if we look separately at tactical (on grid mobility) and strategic (over the multiple star systems travel) this balance is maintained in subcap category, even if only because smaller ships have faster align time. This progression will be even more obvious after Rubicon expansion when we get warp acceleration changes.

Problems comes with capitals because they brake that progression and gain better strategic mobility then even the lightest of subcaps. Now huge blob of carriers can travel faster throe multiple star systems then fastest pre Rubicon interceptor. If capital ships were properly balanced they would in fact have to travel slower then battleships, and super capitals should be slowest of all. It should be very time consuming to move them even few systems.

This imbalance of combat power and mobility is essence of “power projection problem” that so many people talk about, and should be the first thing to be fixed in any future capital ship rebalance.

2) Carriers and supercariers have additional problem of being simultaneously DPS and logi ship in one high EHP hull.

For most subcap fleet concepts (except some exotic spider tank sentry BS gangs) role of DPS and logi is separated, so FC that organises the fleet has to balance between tank (logi) and spank (DPS). Carrier and supercarrier FC can have both with each new fleet member, no need to compromise. This is especially overpowering for supercarriers because enormous tank they have, meaning their spider reps cannot be overwhelmed with strait alpha under any but most extreme of circumstances.

3) there are also problems with supercarrier electronic warfare immunity that neutralises some counters to their powerful spider tanking, and makes them unjustifiably hard to tackle in lovsec space.

Blops high slot module that screws with warp drive engines.
scales in a non linear manner with mass.
so if it did 40000 dps to a super but 4 dps to a frig (random numbers they are for concept rather than what i think they should be)
activates for say 5 mins at a time and prevents the firing ship from warp, cloak, bridge, jump, using gates or wh's.
also prevents MJD and MWD in the firing ship.
maybe prevents remote assist
just an idea.