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Supercarrier Rebalance When?

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#21 - 2013-11-14 17:29:26 UTC
remove their rep bonuses?

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-11-14 17:32:56 UTC
The obvious fix is to create "Super-Duper Capitals" to stomp the super-capitals that are stomping regular capitals. And so forth till all that is left is the rifters.

I also sell rifters in Jita. btw, I'll make you a good deal.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#23 - 2013-11-14 17:34:41 UTC
delete all from [shiptable] where [shipclass] = supercapital
Spurty
#24 - 2013-11-14 17:36:05 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Don't nerf them, create new tech to deal with them.

EVE thrives on creativity from more, not less options!


the last thing we need is something more powerful to defeat something that was previously too powerful

have you never heard of power creep


Supers and titans "ARE" power creep. Of course I've heard of it.

Anyway, your worry is 1dimensional

If you have a tool that can only hammer nails, how useful is that tool when building light bulbs?

CCP's goofs with ships are pretty much 'Titans and Supers'. Other than drone ships in general, there's not many other interesting 'win button' ships out there.

It's completely possible that a tool can been created to combat the menace that only combats the menace.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-11-14 17:37:11 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
"No politics please" is a pretty unrealistic request for this forum tbqh.

it killed all the fun Sad

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#26 - 2013-11-14 17:44:03 UTC  |  Edited by: destiny2
MestariBation wrote:
Radelix Cisko wrote:
I'm gathering that you think that supercapitals should be more expensive to produce?

No. Because PL and NC. has more of them, they need to be nerfed.



It isnt about how many they have, war is never about numbers, its how they use them. PL and NC. have been useing supercapitals more then any other alliance, so they know their strengths and cons, even when in the heat of looseing one. they know how to react to save it. from being destroyed,

Like how supercapital pilots should be they prolly have every core skill and primary skill at level V, to give max performance,

Those players that dont fly them or even have one always have a opinion on a ship they never flown,

ive used supercapitals on singularity and their not as strong as people think, their tanking is relied upon others in their fleet same with cap. they call this spider tanking,

a single super can be killed very easily if it isnt with other supers,

15 titans all useing their DD's can insta pop a titan which is quite pretty to watch, lost a wyvern on singularity, to 15 titan doomsdays wish i hit fraps cause it was very cool.

But back on topic if PL and NC. didnt use supers all the time in nullsec for their battles and another alliance did all the time people would still be bitching lol.

CCP already rebalanced them back oh i dunno when, supers where scarier when they could use all types of drones, be thankful they still can 20 light t2 drones comeing at a battleship was freaky, Shocked

I still remember the story of the solo Nyx pilot who used to terroize lowsec,
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-11-14 17:47:19 UTC
Spurty wrote:
If you have a tool that can only hammer nails, how useful is that tool when building light bulbs?

Exponentially quite a fair bit. Nails get hammered into the table on which the sweatshop workers build the lightbulbs. The more hammers you have, the more tables can be nailed at once, meaning the more lightbulbs can be made by more workers until the entire industry is your personal monopoly.

Spurty wrote:
Other than drone ships in general, there's not many other interesting 'win button' ships out there.

Bwahahahahahaha

Dodixie > Hek
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-11-14 17:48:35 UTC


Beginning in Fountain and more recently with the conflict in the south we have been seeing the issues highlighted more and more. It is true this is almost universally a 0.0 issue but the gaming media pays a lot of attention to these 'massive' 0.0 wars and the issue of supercarriers and crashing nodes will keep cropping up until its addressed.

wrote:
With supers either the node crashes or nobody dies. The only real way for anything to die is in a sufficiently large fight for lots of titans to get dropped, in which case a titan dies to getting DD blapped every 10 minutes. Or rather, every 100 minutes since it'll be in 10% tidi.
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This just in, sub capital fleets cause TiDi also.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#29 - 2013-11-14 17:54:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Leigh Akiga
Caviar Liberta wrote:
This just in, sub capital fleets cause TiDi also.


A subcapital fleet has never caused node death..

Even the largest fight ever- 6VDT, 4096 subcapitals didnt kill that node. It was reinforced you say.. the super Jita node, this is true but the current meta is to not reinforce nodes where supercapitals are wont to be used so that the node can be crashed to avoid 'tanking til downtime'.
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-11-14 17:58:46 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Don't nerf them, create new tech to deal with them.

EVE thrives on creativity from more, not less options!


the last thing we need is something more powerful to defeat something that was previously too powerful

have you never heard of power creep


Add a thermal exhaust port that only a T1 frig can attack.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-11-14 18:04:11 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Other than drone ships in general, there's not many other interesting 'win button' ships out there.


"Win buttons" shouldn't exist.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#32 - 2013-11-14 18:07:28 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Don't nerf them, create new tech to deal with them.

EVE thrives on creativity from more, not less options!


the last thing we need is something more powerful to defeat something that was previously too powerful

have you never heard of power creep


Add a thermal exhaust port that only a T1 frig can attack.


Creativity in action!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-11-14 18:07:39 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Don't nerf them, create new tech to deal with them.

EVE thrives on creativity from more, not less options!


the last thing we need is something more powerful to defeat something that was previously too powerful

have you never heard of power creep


Add a thermal exhaust port that only a T1 frig can attack.


Only if they add the sound of an asthmatic cyborg telling you he's your father right before you blow the Titan's reactor core.
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-11-14 18:11:36 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
This just in, sub capital fleets cause TiDi also.


A subcapital fleet has never caused node death..

Even the largest fight ever- 6VDT, 4096 subcapitals didnt kill that node. It was reinforced you say.. the super Jita node, this is true but the current meta is to not reinforce nodes where supercapitals are wont to be used so that the node can be crashed to avoid 'tanking til downtime'.

It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?

Send me isk im poor
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#35 - 2013-11-14 18:15:30 UTC
MestariBation wrote:
It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?


Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported..
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#36 - 2013-11-14 18:16:39 UTC
super/ titan killers = dreads with a small mix of armageddon's,bhaalgrons. for neuting
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#37 - 2013-11-14 18:18:42 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
super/ titan killers = dreads with a small mix of armageddon's,bhaalgrons. for neuting


How many dreads does it take to alpha a super? You need to alpha them because titans are coming in to doomsday your dreads...and hundreds of thousands of dps are headed your way from the fighterbombers
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-11-14 18:20:28 UTC
Leigh Akiga wrote:
MestariBation wrote:
It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?


Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported..

Say that to BL superfleet Sad

Send me isk im poor
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-11-14 18:23:52 UTC
MestariBation wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
MestariBation wrote:
It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?


Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported..

Say that to BL superfleet Sad


You mean the 30 supercarriers that were attacked by over a hundred other supercapitals?

That doesn't sound like "properly supported" to me.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-11-14 18:26:40 UTC
mynnna wrote:
MestariBation wrote:
Leigh Akiga wrote:
MestariBation wrote:
It's a legit tactic for defender especially when every shite lord in EVE is attacking your space. Also is there a reason why attacker cannot ask for reinforced node?


Well the problem doesnt lie in the node to begin with. The problem is a class of ship with infinite scalability that is nigh invincible when properly supported..

Say that to BL superfleet Sad


You mean the 30 supercarriers that were attacked by over a hundred other supercapitals?

That doesn't sound like "properly supported" to me.

exactly

Send me isk im poor