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Thanks for confirming the statement as sarcasm.

Personally I look forward to the syphon units, I can't wait to see all the low sec folks venturing into to null to suck moon goo, and in return all the null sec inhabitants descending on low to suck off the low sec dwellers - A veritable smorgasbord for all

Hmmm, somewhat vague request here. Syphon's have a maximum operational range of 50K so putting 1 outside of this range will render it useless for anything more than target practice.

May I ask what the point of placing non operational syphon's might achieve.

You could place them as bait but then why not just place them within operating range and at least use it for syphoning while waiting for the rare moment you manage to catch an unsuspecting cloaky hauler stealing from it (well maybe not unsuspecting, if your in system while baiting your showing in local)

** I believe your question to be no more than an attempt at trolling (badly), if not I hope I was able to answer to your satisfaction.

I doubt you will see unskilled trial alts leaving the pos they are monitoring but good luck with that.

You might get lucky (or very unlucky if your alone) and run into a fleet which a trial alt has called in to destroy the syphon. That is if they even bother as the syphon is harmless anyway, although both it and you will generate kill mails, so good chance they will show up.

On Sisi currently it won't let you deploy a siphon at all further than 50k or closer than 30k to a POS.

so let me get this right... POS owners now cannot participate in 99% of the game they pay monthly to play because they have to constantly be removing siphons off their POS's?

sounds like a balanced game mechanic that definitely wont pressure people to unsub.

Is there a way to know a siphon unit date and deployment time, for myself and other pilots that deploy it and want to send the information?

EDIT: kill mail only shows date and time of destruction i think it should show date and time of deployment too.

Let me tell you about the lack of bubble immunity on Blockade Runners. And about the recently buffed dictors. And about how an entire region can be defended against this sort of thing with sufficient people.

But who am I to tell a CFC pilot one of many solutions to a problem?

Did read the first 10 Pages, after that it became just to much to read for me, so probably this has been suggested already or maybe not:

How it currently works:
1 Siphon steals 60/30 of the moon goo, meaning that 2 Siphons suck a POS dry entirely.
So 2 Siphons make a load of workinghours for nothing.
Setting up a POS and maintaining it is a hassel on it's own, you need a Rorqual/JF to be more time efficent, or you use haulers, but still a Large POS needs so much fuel that one hauler is not enough.
With those Siphons people who have the POS do all the work, while the siphoning people have almost all the ISK benefits of the POS.
Does CCP expect people who own several POSes to have Alts on every single one of them to check if there is a Siphon or not? Patrol the POSes every day?

POSes are set up to generate passive income or/and safe POSes for Supers and Carebears. They fuel the production of those pretty T2 ships and so on. Is the goal to make everything more expensive? Or for people just to say F**** it I'm not going to POS anything anymore?

As is maintaining 1 POS is a hassel already, maintaining several POS is even worse, but with those Siphons who can neglect you any sort of income it has become just an annoying task of double checking every POS every hour or so.

In general I think the Siphons are not a bad Idea, but the balance is just wrong! I don't mind people stealing a few m³ of MoonGoo from me if the put effort in it, but the current System is just spitting in the face of every single POS owner.

My Suggestion:

1. Change the fixed amount stolen to a percentage (that way the POS is not sucked dry completly)
2. The precentage should be somewhere around 20-30% at the max. (POS should still give some profit or at least cover the fuel costs) Setting up a POS and maintaining it is way more work than setting up a Siphon. The Proportion of Work to ISK is just wrong atm.
3. Limit the ammount of Siphons that can be anchored next to a POS
4. Give people a notification that there is a Siphon, not everyone can have X Accounts with Y Alts to check every POS every day


o7
Bellathor

PS: How does this actually work for Reactions? E.g. 1 Moon has to Materials that React. So this is how the POS works:
Moon Harvester I-->Harvest Moon Material 1--> linked to Simple Reactor Array
Moon Harvester II-->Harvest Moon Material 2--> linked to Simple Reactor Array
Simple Reactor Array--> Producec Reaction--> Linked to Silo

So if the Siphon steals 60 of Moon Material 1 the reaction can not happen because it needs 100 of both, since the reactor is not a storageunit Moon Material 2 and the Rest of 1 are destroyed? or stored till the reactor has enough to make the reaction happen?

The syphon's only take from the end of the line, so in your example a syphon would be taking from "Linked to silo", the end of the line.


Risk VS reward. You put in the time to place and guard your syphon's (as a pos owner has to guard his pos). As CCP announced early in the thread the API will not give accurate information, any 3rd party application is going to get inaccurate information. It may be of some assistance to the pos owner but if the information from the API server is not correct you are not going to know if there is a syphon on your pos or not without logging in to check.

Maybe I am mistaken here but it would seem that there is a severe problem wiht these modules:

1. To deploy something, or loot from something you can't be cloaked.

2. Were um.... talking about steeling from a POS.. So... Yea. Pos's shoot uncloaked ships. And small turrets which can fire out to are not going to miss you. Especially since this item needs to be deployed well within range of the guns.

3. Who is going to be dumb enough to steel from a pos, in an uncloaked ship?

Conclusion:

Unless I have missed something this module is pointless as you have to be close enough and uncloaked long enough for the Pos to shoot you and kill you. While no.. the POS wont shoot the Module, it will however target and shoot your ship. meaning you are not going to have enough time to loot and warp, or deploy and warp before you die.

Making this module.... well....

Useless.

* Small turrets will lock and fire on a shuttle in less then 15 seconds.
* To properly deploy something, or open and loot something and then also warp, you need a minimum of 30-45 seconds. (To be safe a full minuet).

This is simply not possible with any pos equipped with small turrets. (and I know very very few alliance that do not put small turrets on their pos's, especially their moon poses.)

Just my 2 cents but this seems like a major oversight in development, didn't anyone bring up the question of: "What about the pos shooting the ship while it's looting/Deploying?"