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AFK cloaking !

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Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-09-08 11:20:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaelie Onren
Non sarcastic solution:

EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this)
That isn't moving
That isn't chatting on local
DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m

Problem solved

Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.

But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask?
Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.

Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec.
WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
#22 - 2011-09-08 12:02:39 UTC
People who spend 23 hours cloaked in a system hoping to hotdrop are not making very good use of their time.

But like in politics, not every problem needs new legislation. If this does need a fix, the fix is simple, make the cloaking module consume charges. Big assed charges like cap boosters.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2011-09-08 12:04:50 UTC
Why shouldn't you be able to afk cloak?

Usually this is because people want to be able to harvest isk in peace without bad people putting you on edge. You want it safe so you can mine, rat, or run anomalies. You don't want to have to worry about checking your scanner or split your profits by doing these actions in a fleet or mine with protection.

If you take even the simplest of precautions you can render afk cloakers completely ineffective, but people just don't want to do that.

It's a legit playstyle and already has an effective counter.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#24 - 2011-09-08 13:18:03 UTC
Eperor wrote:
IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC.


I can, in all honesty, say that I have no idea what the hell you just said.


Look, the "solution" (like one's actually needed) to afk cloaking is simple. Well, the "solution" is to be aware etc. However, a change they could make to eliminate the complaints about afk cloaking are simple in concept.

1. When you cloak, you disappear from local.
2. When you cloak, you also can't use local. Your cloak cuts you off in both directions. Intel gathering would need to be done actively, with probes, dscan or simply looking around.
3. To prevent cyno abuse, when you uncloak put a delay on being able to light a cyno. 15, 30, 60 seconds... something balanced.

This would give cloaks more of a true meaning, where you're actually hidden fully. It would also put the intel gathering into "manual" mode instead of simply scanning local to see who's there. It would also add to the sport for cloaked hunters... they could be more stealthy in finding and engaging targets. However, it helps the prey by at least removing the threat of an immediate super-drop on their heads.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Laechyd Eldgorn
Avanto
Hole Control
#25 - 2011-09-08 13:48:54 UTC
as long as there is stations/POS's there should be also afk cloaking. Station and POS owners have advantage over cloakers. Actually, I'd say do not allow fitting ships in stations and POS's only capital ships.

i think enough said.

Jacob Menard
Bleeding Skulls Syndicate
#26 - 2011-09-08 16:59:29 UTC
The only place I see potential for this is null sec. But it needs balance. The balance would be that neither the people holding sov could cloak, nor others in the system. Introduce the "System wide anti-cloaking field", like the cyno jammer.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-09-08 23:30:54 UTC
With my solution, afk cloaker or heck a regular non cloaker going afk disappears off local. False peace of mind for carebears achieved. Check. Afker moves or uses a module, shows up on local and scares miners away, effective dos attack which cloakers currently enjoy achieved. Check.

Everyone gets what they want. No adverse side effects to other cloaking ships like other suggestions to use cloak fuel seem to ignore.
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#28 - 2011-09-09 09:49:11 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Non sarcastic solution:

EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this)
That isn't moving
That isn't chatting on local
DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m

Problem solved

Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.

But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask?
Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.

Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec.



And when hee apiers neerebly you than ups sorry game mechanics. no way that needet,, hee nedet to be forced log off if not play.
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#29 - 2011-09-09 09:59:23 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Why shouldn't you be able to afk cloak?

Usually this is because people want to be able to harvest isk in peace without bad people putting you on edge. You want it safe so you can mine, rat, or run anomalies. You don't want to have to worry about checking your scanner or split your profits by doing these actions in a fleet or mine with protection.

If you take even the simplest of precautions you can render afk cloakers completely ineffective, but people just don't want to do that.

It's a legit playstyle and already has an effective counter.



for short amount off tiem its okey buit fior days and months not okey at all and there is no countre mesures agens cloucked ships if didint know you cant see them in scaner if they warping to you they warping cloucked so this argumet of so to say legit mechenics not works then ned remove all cov ops clocucks thet chips can warp only visible. but that was not proposal..
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#30 - 2011-09-09 10:05:34 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Eperor wrote:
IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC.


I can, in all honesty, say that I have no idea what the hell you just said.


Look, the "solution" (like one's actually needed) to afk cloaking is simple. Well, the "solution" is to be aware etc. However, a change they could make to eliminate the complaints about afk cloaking are simple in concept.

1. When you cloak, you disappear from local.
2. When you cloak, you also can't use local. Your cloak cuts you off in both directions. Intel gathering would need to be done actively, with probes, dscan or simply looking around.
3. To prevent cyno abuse, when you uncloak put a delay on being able to light a cyno. 15, 30, 60 seconds... something balanced.

This would give cloaks more of a true meaning, where you're actually hidden fully. It would also put the intel gathering into "manual" mode instead of simply scanning local to see who's there. It would also add to the sport for cloaked hunters... they could be more stealthy in finding and engaging targets. However, it helps the prey by at least removing the threat of an immediate super-drop on their heads.


and there need to be one ading if he tuches eny buton warp or wath eve he apears in local again in local and cant move 1 minet, than this can work.
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2011-09-09 10:07:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Eperor
Jacob Menard wrote:
The only place I see potential for this is null sec. But it needs balance. The balance would be that neither the people holding sov could cloak, nor others in the system. Introduce the "System wide anti-cloaking field", like the cyno jammer.


Actualy that wuld be fareast ting sov holder need to have some advanted agens tacker. that he can use active defences not pasive like agest afk cloukers.
Kaelie Onren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2011-09-09 10:20:08 UTC
Eperor wrote:
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Non sarcastic solution:

EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this)
That isn't moving
That isn't chatting on local
DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m

Problem solved

Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.

But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask?
Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.

Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec.



And when hee apiers neerebly you than ups sorry game mechanics. no way that needet,, hee nedet to be forced log off if not play.


Can you please use spell check or google translate?

Anyway, I'm guessing you mean bots. Botting is not a cloaking problem it's a banning problem. Handled separately.
foksieloy
Rockets ponies and rainbows
#33 - 2011-09-09 13:10:06 UTC
The old philosophical question:
If a cloaker is afk in a system, does he still make little children scared?

Disclaimer: I do not actually play this game, I just forum warrior.

Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#34 - 2011-09-09 13:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eperor
foksieloy wrote:
The old philosophical question:
If a cloaker is afk in a system, does he still make little children scared?


m8 i not scared i manged to kil some off them with my pvp alt and when they trued to return to systme kiled them again. i jsut wish mechanics that i can kil them noting els. that he cant sit al the time in our sytems and getign intels and sdisturb industrialsit from working, That to easy get in sytems and wait u ntil you have tright moment and strike, that can be days months or weeks need put on them more presure that they to have some limitations.
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#35 - 2011-09-09 13:26:59 UTC
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Eperor wrote:
Kaelie Onren wrote:
Non sarcastic solution:

EVERY ship in a system that's isn't using an active module (cloaks don't count towards this)
That isn't moving
That isn't chatting on local
DISSAPPEARS from local after 15m

Problem solved

Maybe this is the upcoming changes to local in the works and I'm just profetic.

But what about bots used to stay on local used by afk cloakers you ask?
Well botting is bannable. And if miners can bot then why not afk cloakers. If either gets caught they get banned.

Oh let's make this only in systems in null sec.



And when hee apiers neerebly you than ups sorry game mechanics. no way that needet,, hee nedet to be forced log off if not play.


Can you please use spell check or google translate?

Anyway, I'm guessing you mean bots. Botting is not a cloaking problem it's a banning problem. Handled separately.



I I cant use spell checker he not gives aways right answers, and i dont know how to writ that word right with i hear i write how i hear that word that the dificulty with english, wting and sapeking not the same leters used. so to say buggs around ;)
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#36 - 2011-09-09 14:20:55 UTC
Eperor wrote:
foksieloy wrote:
The old philosophical question:
If a cloaker is afk in a system, does he still make little children scared?


m8 i not scared i manged to kil some off them with my pvp alt and when they trued to return to systme kiled them again. i jsut wish mechanics that i can kil them noting els. that he cant sit al the time in our sytems and getign intels and sdisturb industrialsit from working, That to easy get in sytems and wait u ntil you have tright moment and strike, that can be days months or weeks need put on them more presure that they to have some limitations.


Something to keep in mind... they're not your systems. Sure, you may have the dominant force in there. You may have sov, upgrades, etc. However, you don't own the system. At best you currently control it. If someone else comes in and decides to afk cloak, tough crap... they have as much right to be in that system as you do. Due to numbers, sov etc. you can do more... that's the benefits of having control. However, he's as entitled as anyone else to be there, even if it's cloaked, sometimes afk and sometimes gathering intel.

Just because you have control in the system don't think you're entitled to fluffy pillows and bunnies in space. You still need the balls to maintain your influence and control. If that one guy cloaked in there somewhere shakes your entire system's operations then perhaps you're not as ready to control it as you think.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.

Jacob Menard
Bleeding Skulls Syndicate
#37 - 2011-09-09 19:03:06 UTC
Eperor wrote:
Jacob Menard wrote:
The only place I see potential for this is null sec. But it needs balance. The balance would be that neither the people holding sov could cloak, nor others in the system. Introduce the "System wide anti-cloaking field", like the cyno jammer.


Actualy that wuld be fareast ting sov holder need to have some advanted agens tacker. that he can use active defences not pasive like agest afk cloukers.


They do, the cyno jammer, they cant hot drop their caps and super caps in system. Of course, you cant bring in reinforcements that way either, but hopefully, if you have a station in system, you have the resources there to defend it as well.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#38 - 2011-09-09 21:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
El'Niaga wrote:
The only thing we really need is a module, missile, or bomb that when cycle releases a tachyon burst that decloaks targets within its area of effect. In games I'm not so big on things that don't have counters, and the cloak currently fits that in EVE.


Cloak self-counters: all you can do while cloaked is observe. Dropping cloak to do anything at all makes you detectable.

Eperor wrote:
yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.


So your problem isn't one person afk cloaking in system, but the sudden appearance of a 60-man blops fleet. When local suddenly spikes up 60 people, it doesn't matter whether they came in via cyno or gate, you do the same thing: get to your POS and keep your head down.

There's nothing an afk cloaker can do to you that someone bouncing safe spots or simply logging off in space and coming back later can't do. It sounds to me like you just want to be able to rat and mine risk-free. That's what highsec is for.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#39 - 2011-09-09 21:48:38 UTC
Eperor wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Eperor wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Yvan Ratamnim wrote:
The problem is that AFK cloakers once there in system are almost impossible to catch unless there idiots no way to scan them down no matter how good your skills, no timer that runs there cloak out, or cloak cool down, its just click and step away and cause annoyance for locals,

IF IT IS MY SYSTEM shouldnt my sov have some form of intel upgrade or station ping to uncover said AFK cloakers or atleast make it possible with enough skilled pilots.


Pro-tip...

It isn't your system.

Cloakers have counters. They're called "balls". Be alert, go about your business. Bring a friend. Use DScan and keep your eys open. Want to afk while mining? Too effing bad. You're doing it wrong and deserve to get popped.

Damned whining kids wouldn't last ten minutes in a hole. In my days we didn't even have DScan. You had a buddy sit on the front of your ship with a pair of binoculars AND WE LIKED IT!


yes yes and ligts a cyno and there 60 recons and SB apears near you :) then wath your 1 bilj ship gos boom and your frend ****** in ass, wil never come again help you :) In this case your tip its junk noting els.


So the cloaker wasn't afk after all?


IF count heer was afk after siting in system like 2 weeks witout even not login in DT out seems to me that was bot. that counts as afk if he is 90% afk then on his PC.


Glad to see your bad spelling is on this forum too.

Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]

Janos Saal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-09-10 11:14:54 UTC
Cloaking is fine, stop bitching.

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