Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Again using a worst case scenario as a critical concern...

You know, turret apply 0% damage to something orbiting too close, yet nobody have problem with turrets, because this is a worst case scenario and reality is different.

Same goes with HAM : reality will be closer to 90% dps on average on cruisers.

I *proved* you wrong with numbers. Come back to reality please.

Most short range weapon are better used with scram+web BTW, and then HAM should even be able to shred a destroyer.

Unfortunately, you didn't. Look back and see for yourself. Best you can do is hit like 7 or 8 cruisers in total, dealing semi-decent damage, and only if they are MWD fitted. Against ab cruisers, mwd HAC's and frigates in general your damage application is rather pathetic.

Whole thread has been exaggerated this and that to support singular minded arguments. Especially when comparing HAMS AND HMLS TO A MISSILE THAT IS SUPPOSE TO HIT SMALLER TARGETS. HAMS AND HMLS SHOULD BE COMPARED TO MEDIUM TURRETS AND OR OTHER MEDIUM MISSILE PLATFORMS THAT ARE SUPPOSE TO BE USED AGAINST MEDIUM TARGETS. When compared to other medium weapon systems HAMS AND HML are balanced. Still I agree a 40 second reload is TOO long.

Anyway.

Players will definitely use Rapid Light Missile Launchers and like I stated before; missile ships with sizable drone bays and bandwidth have an advantage over those without: Bellicose instead of Caracal, and Scythe Fleet Issue instead of Caracal Navy Issue (rather have drone damage instead of no damage). I'm still not a fan of 40 second reload times and I think 30 seconds could be done while still keeping the proposed rate of fire intact.

As for Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher? Garbage to be honest. I don't know. Might be worth putting on a rattlesnake or something. I mean it MAY work for EXTREME DAMAGE and then docking games but I'm not sure.

As far as I'm aware. Pilots and fleet commanders I know who were interested in Rapid Heavy Missile previously are all writing it off completely.

Why release a new module that YOU KNOW players won't use? Why allow said module to effect one that is used so much?

Anywho.

The Rapid Light Missile Launcher is a medium size weapon system that uses small size ammunition. There is no turret equivalent. Comparing another medium size weapon system with medium ammunition to another that uses small size ammunition comes off a bit false to me. Not to mention the Rapid Light Missile Launcher compensates for light missiles ONLY draw back when used with a light missile launcher. That's absolute damage per second.

No doubt, light missiles signature resolution could be increased by 50 - 100 % (45 - 60 signature resolution); increase it's explosion velocity by 20 - 40% and lower flight time significantly (something like 6,000m). Apart from that there was no need to do the proposed change... Whatever this change is. With that said. The proposed changes to Rapid Light Missile Launchers does work and some of it's lame qualities can be mitigated.

He will bring a caracal with 3 damps, armor tank and kill you with a drone and patience!

1... 2... 3... 4... 5... 6... 7... 8... 9... 10... 11... 12... 13... boring, right? 14... 15... 16... 17... 18... 19... 20... 21... 22... 23.... 24... 25... 26... 27... 28... it feels like eternity! 29... 30... 31... 32... 33... 34... shall I self destruct and end this? 35... 36... 37... 38... 39... 40... 41... 42... 43... 44... 45... 46... (after almost falling asleep) oh, I can shoot again

That's the right attitude! I think I'm going to call that set up Maulus.

Also NERF DAMPS AND TD's!

could be :

1... 2... 3... 4... 5... 6... 7... 8... 9... 10... 11... 12... 13... boring, right? 14... 15... 16... 17... 18... 19... 20... 21... 22... 23.... 24... 25... 26... 27... 28... it feels like eternity! 29... 30... 31... 32... 33... 34... (after almost falling asleep) 35... whos pod is this? oh damn...

I guess I never will understand the need to nerf ships that require a player to put a lot of effort, isk, and money (in form of a link account) to make good. Yes when all of this is applied to a caracal it's fantastic but so are most ships. Regardless people who solo successfully will continue to do so without RLML. It's just a sore feeling to lose the nano drake and then get the caracal or cerb and remember how much fun the nano drake was only to lose it again.

You may feel like you are fixing the RLML problem and maybe half of eve is wrong and you are right. But LML are still a platform that has all the benefits of the old RLML and you aren't touching those. A fix to LML would have been more well deserved. Now instead of caracals we can fly a crow or two and have the same engagement profile. Not sure I follow your thought process on this one.

Goodbye caracal.
Hello crow.

Side note about turrets, Rise mentioned that a similar treatment might be done to the smaller medium and large turrets as well... the one's nobody ever uses.

I believe he means (for example) the smallest medium turret might end up using small ammo and have small turret stats... but with a vastly improved ROF for a short duration (and long reload).

This interests me a great deal.

Edit: Yeah, I'd also kind of like to see how things play out with the reload being a flat 30 seconds.

I feel the need to point out that a long reload timer is not a new mechanic. Bombers have used this same mechanic for their high damage attacks (bombs) since their inception.

Yes, it requires different tactics and organization, but time has proven that it is completely viable.

The only question at this point is how to balance ammo amount, ROF, and reload time into the most workable proportions.