These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

return after 4 years to the same unforgiving game

First post
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#141 - 2013-11-14 12:05:08 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:


ok, pal lol


You're going to be one of those types that just argues for the sake of getting the last word in, aren't you. Even when you have nothing left to say, you're still just going to throw in an "okay" and giggle like you've won something.



Yes, in my opinion I don't like your attitude, and I going to get my $15.00 worth, nothing that you say hasn't already been said, so change the broken record, you should support Helyean and others like him, and find a place in Eve for him and others like him, not reject them.


Plenty of us would likely be very willing to help him, if he came to this forum with the right attitude.



Just your opinion mate


Not just mine if you actually did read the entire thread.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#142 - 2013-11-14 12:05:58 UTC
Bloody Slave wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:

Haven't posted that I hate the game, that's not constructive, need your facts straight first.


Indeed, you were talking about the players, you love the game but "hate" (or insert whatever bad feelings here) the community, right?

I can feel your pain. I'm so mad about the players here with multiple accounts that sometimes I pod my own Alts in revenge.

But since you ressubed and will be available to help some of us in the next 30 days, I will ask you a favor: Can I have your stuff?

C'mon, read my signature.


LOL ummm well maybe, I do have some stuff kicking about some where, not really sure if you really want in thought Big smile, I passed most of it over already a few years ago.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2013-11-14 12:07:20 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
Yes, in my opinion I don't like your attitude,


You don't have to like it, I don't really care if you like it, and you don't come off as particularly relevant enough that what you like or don't like should matter to me.

[quote and I going to get my $15.00 worth[/quote]

So... you're going to log in to EVE?

Quote:
nothing that you say hasn't already been said


Oh I am 100% certain that you are habitually ignorant.

Quote:
you should support Helyean and others like him


I don't need to support anyone, especially quitters, and what I should and shouldn't do is certainly not up for discussion with the likes of a quitter such as yourself.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#144 - 2013-11-14 12:10:08 UTC
j'poll,

only interested in what Helyean said, the rest is just politics sorry, its good that you defend your opinion, I respect that.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2013-11-14 12:14:01 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:


If someone "Rage quits" from Eve they Obviously got bigger balls then you, so change the broken record


Well, there are two things wrong with that. The first is that a rage quit occurs when a player can't handle the experience. The second is that it doesn't take balls to do anything, that would be demeaning to female A-10 Warthog pilots now wouldn't it. But, if that's your argument, then they clearly have bigger balls than all of us land-lubbers...

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2013-11-14 12:32:38 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:

LOL ummm well maybe, I do have some stuff kicking about some where, not really sure if you really want in thought Big smile, I passed most of it over already a few years ago.


I want, you can be sure of that. If I need it is other thing, but since I'm playing EVE for more than 7 years, you know, greed infected me.Oops

Man, as I said in other thread over here at GD, I rage quit almost every year, but keep coming back, I need that break, same as almost everyone else, except Chriba, OFC.

Anyways, you can contract everything to me, please... or, if you plan to use your remaining time of ressub having blasts of fun, be welcome back!Blink

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#147 - 2013-11-14 12:40:40 UTC
Bloody Slave wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:

LOL ummm well maybe, I do have some stuff kicking about some where, not really sure if you really want in thought Big smile, I passed most of it over already a few years ago.


I want, you can be sure of that. If I need it is other thing, but since I'm playing EVE for more than 7 years, you know, greed infected me.Oops

Man, as I said in other thread over here at GD, I rage quit almost every year, but keep coming back, I need that break, same as almost everyone else, except Chriba, OFC.

Anyways, you can contract everything to me, please... or, if you plan to use your remaining time of ressub having blasts of fun, be welcome back!Blink



Thank you, nice to meet you, you sound like a honest guy, Eve is a lot of fun, good to talk to a veteran, sadly I'm gonna have to log soon, got work to do.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#148 - 2013-11-14 12:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: lollerwaffle
OP quits posting after page 2, 8 pages of replies.

5/10

White knight offers help to OP on page 6, tries to act cool but gets laughed at for the remaining 2 pages

5/10 -> 7/10 (2 bonus points)

Final score:
7/10 good OP troll
2/10 for entertainment value, the white knight killed it in the end

Average score: 4.5/10 would not read again

EDIT:

Forgot to /thread
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#149 - 2013-11-14 13:24:39 UTC
I'm sorry one last thing really, remiel aren't you guys helping carebears, saving them from themselves? minerbump.com? really talk about calling the kettle pot black, take a step back and ask yourself, who's really trying to shove there opinion down who's throat, I simply called out to Helyean in a public display of support., its simple don't read my post, its Eve's community that believe that they are the saviour of carebears,

take care fly safe.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#150 - 2013-11-14 13:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Not Amused Responsible, while I see where you're coming from I'm afraid I can't agree with you on much of what you've got to say. You feel sympathy for the OP, and this I can understand... I feel sympathy for him as well, a little. The perceived problem with the community in EVE being 'mean' or 'unsympathetic' is just that, perceived. In order to keep things in perspective you have to understand that a great many of these 'mean' people have walked through countless miles of heavy fire to get where they are today. As such they tend to have little compassion for those who have effectively stubbed their toe and begin wailing about it.
What I've found on the other hand is that if you ask constructive questions about why something happened, or what went wrong they'll quite often give you intelligent and helpful answers to assist you. If you behave in a manner that gives them reason to believe that any help they offer will be pointless, then they aren't going to bother... instead they will milk you for all the tears they can get and leave your dessicated corpse on the interstellar roadside.
If you act like an adult and honestly try to learn from your mistakes, the EVE community is the best gaming community out there.
If you act like a child and demand to have your hand held all the way to candy mountain, the EVE community is the worst gaming community out there.
OP boned himself with his approach to the community, and while I get your desire to help him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDNyG4dpgc

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-11-14 13:29:01 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
I'm sorry one last thing really, remiel aren't you guys helping carebears, saving them from themselves? minerbump.com? really talk about calling the kettle pot black, take a step back and ask yourself, who's really trying to shove there opinion down who's throat, I simply called out to Helyean in a public display of support., its simple don't read my post, its Eve's community that believe that they are the saviour of carebears,

take care fly safe.


Whatever gave you the impression that I was involved with minerbumping.com? I think you're jumping to conclusions. Makes sense, though, that you would jump to conclusions on a regular basis given your inherent ignorance and the delusion that not playing EVE somehow makes you an expert on it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2013-11-14 13:30:45 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
In order to keep things in perspective you have to understand that a great many of these 'mean' people have walked to through countless miles of heavy fire to get where they are today. As such they tend to have little compassion for those who have effectively stubbed their toe and begin wailing about it.


This is sigworthy. Couldn't have put it better myself.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#153 - 2013-11-14 13:42:06 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Not Amused Responsible, while I see where you're coming from I'm afraid I can't agree with you on much of what you've got to say. You feel sympathy for the OP, and this I can understand... I feel sympathy for him as well, a little. The perceived problem with the community in EVE being 'mean' or 'unsympathetic' is just that, perceived. In order to keep things in perspective you have to understand that a great many of these 'mean' people have walked to through countless miles of heavy fire to get where they are today. As such they tend to have little compassion for those who have effectively stubbed their toe and begin wailing about it.
What I've found on the other hand is that if you ask constructive questions about why something happened, or what went wrong they'll quite often give you intelligent and helpful answers to assist you. If you behave in a manner that gives them reason to believe that any help they offer will be pointless, then they aren't going to bother... instead they will milk you for all the tears they can get and leave your dessicated corpse on the interstellar roadside.
If you act like an adult and honestly try to learn from your mistakes, the EVE community is the best gaming community out there.
If you act like a child and demand to have your hand held all the way to candy mountain, the EVE community is the worst gaming community out there.
OP boned himself with his approach to the community, and while I get your desire to help him...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDNyG4dpgc


Don't worry I'm just winding them up, getting my $15.00, you speak the truth and have worded it eloquently, in my opinion though Eve being the best gaming community, is your opinion, and the adult thing to do is live a real life, not self destruct because of Eve and that is why I want to speak to Helyean.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#154 - 2013-11-14 13:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
You can do both. By all means speak to him, offer him some good advice. He needs help, he just went about looking for it in possibly the worst fashion possible.

Edit: And I only get eloquent when I'm drunk. So perhaps booze might help him not take it too seriously. It is only a game after all. I play for the delightful explosions... while I prefer they be other things exploding, I have learned to enjoy seeing me explode as well.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#155 - 2013-11-14 13:48:05 UTC
Remiel Eve community never changes that's why Helyean needs to look past the aggression of the Eve online community and after 4 years of him not playing Eve online, it was still the same game and will never change in my opinion, no matter what expansion CCP develop, so he needs to move on, just like I did, this game will never be a casual game nor a MMO.
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#156 - 2013-11-14 13:50:32 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
You can do both. By all means speak to him, offer him some good advice. He needs help, he just went about looking for it in possibly the worst fashion possible.



Agreed but he did get my attention and I would like to bring him some peace, so that he can move on.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#157 - 2013-11-14 13:53:54 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
Remiel Eve community never changes that's why Helyean needs to look past the aggression of the Eve online community and after 4 years of him not playing Eve online, it was still the same game and will never change in my opinion, no matter what expansion CCP develop, so he needs to move on, just like I did, this game will never be a casual game nor a MMO.

You're right in that Eve will never change, especially to accommodate the greater demographic that wants instant gratification and to keep their stuff; it'll also continue to be the "nasty bugger" of the MMO world, we like it that way and CCP knows their target demographic. However you're wrong in that it is entirely possible to play casually and it most definitely is an MMORPG.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#158 - 2013-11-14 13:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Forward works too. If he gets a grasp on the aggression mechanics and learns to not be baited, or at least enjoy watching himself go up in flames due to derping, well then he's well on his way to climbing the learning cliff. And on that note I gotta stop posting while I'm being shot at o7

Edit: Listen to Jonah, he is wise and knows stuff.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#159 - 2013-11-14 14:09:35 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
In order to keep things in perspective you have to understand that a great many of these 'mean' people have walked to through countless miles of heavy fire to get where they are today. As such they tend to have little compassion for those who have effectively stubbed their toe and begin wailing about it.


This is sigworthy. Couldn't have put it better myself.


Ain't that the truth. +1 also.

I didn't start at the beginning of the game, but I did start at a time (2007) when the game was a lot less friendly to new players. Hell, I thought Faction Warfare (which was launched about a year after I started) was the best thing since sliced bread because it lowered the barrier to getting into pvp. EVE didn't have a fraction of the nice stuff it has now when i started. None of this accelerated traiing new characters get, and you were GOING to train learning skills for a while bfore you could do anything worth while.

It just goes to show that no matter how much you casualize a sandbox game, someone will think the effort-barrier is too high and demand it be lowered.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#160 - 2013-11-14 14:23:07 UTC
Jenn, I get where you're coming from... I also started in 2007 and have since then been a chronic bear. I dabbled in FW a little bit but honestly I was too inebriated to remember doing it. The thing is to remember to not take ANYTHING in the game too seriously or you risk ruining the fun of it for yourself. This in of itself has helped me climb up the learning curve a good deal.
The effort-barrier is, upon reflection, a very good thing. I dealt with this in EQ before I quit as well.. by making the game easier you actually rob players of their sense of achievement they get from reaching goals, new and old. You take away from the old by making it easier for nooblets to get where they are at, and you steal from the nooblets that very sense of achievement the oldguard are basking in.
It's hard, hard as crawling through broken glass... but when you get there you can say "I did that!", and this is why the bittervets get intensely defensive of anyone suggesting they make it easier. That threatens to devalue the suffering they had to endure to get to where they are.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.