Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I read page 1, I skimmed page 2, I skipped page 3.

"A bloo bloo bloo! Those wrecks are mine! I maded them! If I don't want them then you shouldn't be allowed to have them either!" - The thought process of your typical selfish 5-year-ol.. oops, I mean your typical highsec missionbear.

What perfectly pathetic hilarity.

Before this devolves any further into an all-out flame war of self-entitled whinebears vs the rest of EVE I just want to say that I wholeheartedly endorse the ability to probe down and capitalize on mission sites, anom locations, battlefields cap/super wrecks and other salvageable debris fields of any and all kinds that have been left to decay by the people who were involved in creating them.

Your "reward" for killing a rat is the mission completion and the bounty. Yes. The bounty. You know, that ISK amount you get paid that more than covers what you spent on ammo to kill the rat.

If you don't want those wrecks and I do, then why do you even care if I probe them down, warp in my salvaging team and make some ISK that you didn't even want? Either salvage your wrecks or stop your boo-hoo crybear tears when someone else expresses a desire to salvage them for you.

You wail and moan and gnash your teeth about "EVE is a sandbox so let me do what I want to do" while simultaneously declaring that anyone else whose chosen activities might possibly intersect with yours should be given a suspect flag for it - a flag which you would never capitalize upon, despite all your chest-beating, puffed-up bravado and declarations of intent to the contrary.


-1 to self-entitled spoiled children.
-1 to whinebears.
-1 to wasting perfectly good wrecks.
-1 to isolated play in a sandbox.

+1 to salvage probes.
+1 to resource conservation.
+1 to the salvaging industry.
+1 to everyone making ISK the way they enjoy most.

Thank you.

This would have to be balanced correctly for wormhole space too where salvage can be worth more than the loot dropped.

i don't understand its already to easy to hunt wrecks down as it is?

You don't seem to understand what "passive income source" means, Mr. Higdon. Before you attempt to play the "passive vs active income game" please educate yourself on the matter. Salvaging is actually a very active profession, unlike AFK missioning, AFK mining or AFK hauling, all of these being things you have not indicated any objection to.

If you want to say "belt rats put miners at risk" I want to make it clear that the entire tone of your post seems to refer to highsec. Highsec belt rats are a joke and a threat to nobody.

You talk about wanting there to be risk involved in clearing those salvage fields. Fine, we can put risk into them if you yourself have to face the same risks when you go back in your Noctis to salvage. If that's unacceptable, then you're some sort of hypocrite. Saying "It's okay for me to salvage safely but everyone else has to risk rats and nullsec pockets" is laughably pathetic. If you don't go back to salvage, then why do you even care?

I do, however, find it amusing that you think the time it takes to salvage a wreck field does not count as an investment. You're also apparently under the impression that salvaging equipment (ships included), probing equipment and the required skills to use them effectively do not count as an investment. If this is the case then I would like to counter that your mission ship, the time you spend missioning and all of your skills to fly that ship equally do not count as an investment either and so missions should pay dramatically less - virtually nothing outside of bounties - in accordance with how little you've invested to profit from them.

You don't own those wrecks. CCP has made this abundantly clear with their encouragement of the ninja salvaging profession. Unless you plan to salvage those wrecks yourself, then take your rat bounties, take your LP and your mission reward ISK and move along in your multi-billion-ISK min-maxed mission boat like a good little missionbear.

There are other ways of finding out what you are warping into, proper use of d-scan comes to mind.

I am surprised by all the interest in this post. Personally I think it would add an interesting dimension to the game and would allow those of us who like salvage activities to focus on it.