Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"Hey guys we are going to rework laser turrets - we are increasing cap use 10-fold, but in a few patches we are going to be reworking the bonuses on amarr ships to accommodate this increased cap use)"

This makes sense to you?

Now try and sensible less whiney argument rather than a childlike one please.

To be perfectly frank it's not that high a priority. It needs to be done, but the way these encounters usually play out is you don't switch missiles types in the middle of combat. Most pilots would rather take longer to kill the target with not - so - ideal ammo types than stop firing altogether and swap to a better ammo.

Is that usually the best tactic? No, probably not. But if we are being truthful, in the heat of battle that is usually what happens.

If it turns out to be an easy task I doubt we'd even have to wait for a true point release, but I'd say the chances are good that it touches on some twitchy code that will force us to wait a bit.

As I've said before, I don't really care that much one way or another on the timing... although I do have a slight preference to get my hands on the base mechanics sooner rather than later. Quicker ammo changes aren't a deal breaker to me.

And in the context of this debate I think that flaw keeps getting dragged up as the easiest argument to present as an excuse not to implement the mechanic at all... despite knowing that it will be fixed in relatively short order. If they revealed that they had fixed the change ammo mechanic this morning, those people would simply switch to the next easiest argument to throw out there... primarily because they have no idea how to leverage this to their advantage.

I would strongly advise people to test this mechanic on Sisi in a variety of situations, and give some realistic input on how the ammo capacity, reload timer, and ROF can be best tweaked to obtain the desired results... instead of pulling what if arguments out of their back sides against a mechanic that WILL be implemented in one form or another. THAT would actually have some value.

I refuse to believe you two are serious. Have fun trolling.

Not so much... and really.... someone out there still tries to use fof's?

I'm not going to say that no one ever changes ammo because there are always exceptions to the rule.

But I will say for the average EVE pilot they don't do it in mid combat all that often, even if tactically speaking they should. Usually they will wait until they need to reload anyway.

Now I'm sure you'll try to insist that everybody changes ammo the second they realize that they have a better ammo type on board for their opponent of the moment, but the reality of it is in most fights you'll be engaging a variety of ship types. Most people feel they are better off sticking with what will work on "most" of their opponents and not waste time swapping ammo specific to each ship they happen to be facing at the moment. Now if you are in a 1v1 or other very small engagement that might be a different story, but for most that is NOT the norm.

Not to be a jerk to you, but if your combat technique involves spending time swapping ammo types constantly I'd recommend Amarr.

I don't know Taoist Dragon, so I can't comment for him.

I will say that I have never had a problem killing cruisers quickly and efficiently with either HVM or HAM... or any other appropriate weapons system for that matter.

Killing cruiser with HVM/HAM is fine and always has been TBH. (well it used to be too easy with the OP HVM) and I I see some anti frig cruisers wandering around I'll pretty much always swap to cruiser killing mode with HAM/HVM (if I'm in the mood to fly caldari that is.)

Agreed, which is why most people do exactly that.

Typically though, for my part, if I am jammed or damped out I'll use that as a opportunity to warp out and reposition instead of swapping to FoF's. 9 times out of 10 I'll have drones of some type on me as well and the FOF's simply go for them instead of the jamming/dampening vessel.... so unless I'm scrammed I'll just pop out and pop back in again, usually at a more appropriate range, while he's busy jamming/dampening some other poor schmuck.

Terrible idea. Echo others in saying it will make them useless for solo work.

Oh, I almost forgot.

Swapping ammo to use a type that does better damage based on your targets sig radius or speed "can" be advantageous in the long run... it depends on how tough your target is.

Swapping ammo to hit what you hope is a more favorable resist value depends greatly on how they are fit, and often (if they have made any attempt what so ever to plug their resist holes) you end up doing such a small amount more damage before the fight is over you often are better off simply sticking with what you had (and not losing that extra volley or so due to reload time).

In the case of this new system, warping out to reposition will be by far the better tactic, as you'll be just about reloaded with better ammo by the time you get back to the fight.

Edit: Frankly, it's as Tao said, you're always better off making those kind of ammo swaps before the battle begins. That's why the Icelandic gods created Dscan and scouts.