Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Also, I totally just realized something: with the mobile depot taking 45 seconds to anchor...

Start with RLMLs fitted, with whatever general-purpose ammo you want. As soon as the fight starts, drop and anchor a mobile depot. 45 seconds later, it will be usable. 5 seconds after that, you'll be out of ammo on your RLMLs.

Then, if the fight's going to take longer than another 90 seconds, swap the RLMLs for something else! LMLs if you need to keep killing frigates, HAMs or HMLs against cruisers and bigger. Should take ~10seconds to switch, then a 10 second reload, and keep shooting with higher sustained dps!

I now fully support this change.

Nerfing RLML more than 5% without fixing HAM and HML previously is bad. Very bad. Terrible really! 5-10% doesn't seem to be much when dealing with frigates but can be too much when you need to kill a cruiser. Until you can deliver properly balanced cruiser size missile weapon system, please leave light missiles and light launchers alone. Just leave it. Stay away, keep your distance. Do your little experiments internally, we don't want to know until is finished, polished and properly tested - that should be your work, not ours.

Without the fitting of said ship and a clear battle report of how this was tested these type of arguments are exactly what Rise was referring to as basically crap arguments against the changes.

Now if you want to get them to take you seriously then post up what fits your were using, what characters/skills etc and actually quote figure from a combat log that you can send to Rise to back up your findings. Do this and i can guarantee a much better chance at getting CCP to listen to you. Otherwise you are just whining that your favorite toy is different and you don't like it.

If Rise and co got a load of these reports from multiple sources with realistic fittings etc showing an issue across a number of scenarios then they would take notice. One scrub (or alts of said scrub) constantly bleating 'don't mess with my stuff!' don't sway anyone in a decent argument.

So heres a bit of a comparison: Imagine you have an omen and a new rlm caracal shooting a target for 50 seconds. They end up doing relatively the same dps.

Now for the next 40 seconds, the caracal does 0 dps while the omen continues doing damage. Rlms currently have the 'interesting decision making' of "hmm, x, y, and z are on the field, what is the best ammo type to use here?'. Don't believe me? Shoot a jaguar with mjolnir fury, or try doing much damage to some afs and intys without swapping to percision ammo. The new rlms would have to wait 40 seconds in order to do this, which is long enough that you might as well leave the field because youll be chased off anyway. This means the only decision making in using new rlms will be 'can I kill the tackle in under 50 seconds assuming I have the right ammo preloaded to do so?' That is not an interesting choice to me.

If the fight lasts longer than 50 seconds, the omen becomes better and the caracal has a random chance of becoming useless or having to leave because suddenly something lands and you cant just reload to the right damage or missile type to kill it. In a small gang situation the new rlm caracal wouldn't want to shoot the primary, it would be too busy reloading incase the tackle that it just killed feels like reshipping. The omen and thorax are able to apply damage to a target regardless of how much ammo they have used and what point of the fight they are at.

I would much prefer a rof nerf and a pg requirement increase as a nerf to rlms. That way I still am able to make decisions about what ammo to use to get the best effect, and with an rlm nerf I would need to make the right ammo choice to be able to kill a number of things at all. Please reconsider this change, there are better ways of nerfing rlm than preventing people from reloading fast enough that missile type is actually a choice you can make during a fight and not something you have to hope you got right when you started engaging.

Ok, I did some tests with HAM dps and here are my results.
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PS : I can't wait to see what naysayers will say now. :-)

That you don't have a clue, what else? Take Omen for example, add a frigate and see what happens if you compare graphs with Caracal. Properly piloted Omen will do full damage to both and your HAM Caracal will have a hard time dealing even with T1 frig, what to speak of T2. Now, where goes your damage when we add all those ships with role bonuses, having 50% reduced MWD sig radius penalty - could you do your Pyfa thingy for them too?

What I am saying is that in a number of situations that may be completely beyond your control you might end up with a useless ship. I will have mjolnir percision loaded vs a merlin for example, what happens if he has a friend in a jag warp in before he dies? Even with percisions I wont be able to kill the jag because of it's resist profile. So I would have to give it atleast 40 seconds before I can start trying to force it off me. It likely won't die to a single clip so thats 50 seconds and another 40 second reload. During this reload the jaguar has probably has a decent amount of its shields back so it might take most of the next clip to finish him off. This isn't even taking into account the merlin pilot who has had well over a minute to reship, and may very well have come back in something that I will need to swap ammo for again in order to apply substantial damage to.

This is 130 seconds, over 2 minutes and I still haven't finished the jaguar off because I had mjolnir loaded to kill a merlin. Nerfing the rof of rapid lights and increasing their pg use would mean that it takes me longer to kill the merlin but I can properly react to the jaguar, or whatever additional tackle lands on field during the fight that might present a bigger threat then what I am currently dealing with.

Ships like the omen and thorax, even if they end up shooting em into a jaguar or kin/therm into an ishkur will be able to properly respond to things landing. This is an exceptionally strong case to not use an rlm boat in my eyes and instead use any other weapon system because it will be effective against tackle all the time, with the added bonus of being able to fight things larger than frigates as well as multiple people without having to change the guns its using.