Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i seriously don't see how the fleet tackler can do the job of it's name. With armageddons in every fleet with 37.5 heavy neut ability no fleet tackle can stay on the field. In reality the keres is going to be everyone's fleet tackler. Either fleet tackle inties need to have point range past geddon heavy neut range or should be re-purposed.

Overall, really like the interceptor changes as this should help balance the risk/reward in null by making it easier to catch things (currently, there is too little risk IMO).

A lot of people feel that the interdiction nullification is too OP though, and I agree with that. Why? Because you can have fleets of inexpensive ships that can do significant damage and are almost impossible to catch/kill.

Suggestion - don't allow both damage AND interdiction nullification. Perhaps have high slot module(s) that are required to enable interdiction nullification, with a -100% damage penalty. Otherwise, fleets of interceptors are just too OP at ganking stuff and with no risk at all. Their job is to tackle. IMO they should be the best at that, when they are doing just that. Note: if this is implemented with a module, you could also do things like have HIC bubbles catch nullified ships, unless a specific, more expensive nullifier is fitted, etc.

This. While it's impressive that you can get over 7k ehp out of the Crusader I'm not sure it's really needs the extra grid over a third mid.

But, whatever.

After Rubicon, the fastest player sub-light speed will be 26, 296 m/s.

Not a huge increase, but interesting to see none-the-less.

Let's just pray they don't make a module that makes you bubble immune.

IMO the Crusader needs work. Yes it has 2 slots, like the other 'next step' laser ships: the Coercer, the Slicer and the Retribution. Yes the switch from a 3 mid Executioner to a 2-mid Crusader is jarring. Yes the cap use bonus should not be needed. This post is not about this.

I'ld to propose switching the roles between the Crusader and the Malediction.

The Malediction is already tankier than the Crusader and has the 3 mids necessary to brawl. It can loose the range bonus to scrams and long points without loosing any combat ability due to the engagement range of light rockets and rockets compared to (un)bonused scrams and points. Instead the Malediction could receive a bonus to explosion radius, which would help with damage application. It could even keep the utility high since it has uses a brawling ranges (another reason why the Crusader is not a successor to the Executioner)

The Crusader would see its tracking bonus moved to the frigate skill, loose the damage bonus and receive the scram/disruptor range bonus. Yes loosing the cap use bonus would be better, but I'm not seeing that happen. The tracking bonus is still needed to allow scorch to track at ab speeds.

The added scram range would fit nicely with the scorch range and allow scram/ab kiting outside web range. This is a niche that fits nicely with the tracking bonus, the natural range of scorch, the 2 mid slots and the Crusaders' speed. This niche is also different from those occupied by the Retri, Slicer or Coercer. A beam fit Crusader reaches with Aurora to about 25-30k. Without a range bonus to disruptors, a large part of the Aurora range is wasted (and other crystals with more appropriate ranges do less dps). With a range bonus to disruptors however, there is the possibility for a long range kiter, outside of the usual kiting ranges of the Slicer, Coercer or Retri. The tackling range bonus fits better with Aurora and Scorch and makes the Crusader more different from similar laser ships.


TL,DR Swapping Malediction and Crusader roles would make for better suited ships.

ok I may have a 'counter' of sorts for this although it only works for populated null-sec systems...

everyone in system who is not sitting at station is required by corp/alliance rules to be a part of that system's fleet at all times for instantaneous warp-to defense. anyone goes off by their lonesome, well tough. The nullification thing makes empty null sec systems less useful to hold.. So it may allow for higher pop densities in null. Weird.

I like the crow, always felt it's role was mixed. Glad to see it turned out to be a fleet ceptor, cause those missiles are far better applied from the edge of the extended point range than rails.

That because Whenever you ask peopel why they dont move into 0.0, most answer. " because of bubbles, I hate bubbles".


That is probably why ccp has been introducing ways to avoid them.

As long as they keep capital ships in place, its all right for me.

Duvolle: Blasters
Roden: Railguns
CreoDron: Drones

It's not that hard, people!

Also, Amarr need a T2 laser frig with 3 mids, else they'll really have to ask their Caldari allies for everything point-related...