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Passive Tank PVE Drake

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Laric Ralinor
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-11 01:55:17 UTC
I've been digging around trying to sort out how to outfit a Drake for running missions with a passive tank. So much info and fittings over some many years that I'm a bit lost on what is good nowadays. For instance, I found the detailed description below on another forum, but am not sure if it still applies or if other mods are now preferable. Appreciate any advice!


""How to build the OPTIMAL pasive tank mission Drake for YOUR particular skills:


1. Use 3x Core Defence Field Purger rigs. That's like the cardinal rule for a mission Drake.

2. Second, add 2x Large Shield Extender II (best named would be an option for a VERY short while, but seriously, if you're not using T2 extenders you might as well drop the idea, and you need the skill at L4 if you plan to make the fit decent anyway).

3. Add 7x Heavy Missile Launcher. Whatever you can fit/afford. Leave the last highslot empty, if you still have any fitings left at the end, you might want to add something there, but an empty slot works just fine too.

4. DECIDE how many Ballistic Controls you want. I'd recommend at least one, preferably two. Fiting no BCUs on the Drake is pathetic, the DPS is so small and the tank so big, you'd be doing yourself a disservice. Fiting three BCUs is however a bit of an overkill and too much on the CPU of the ship (at least for a full T2 fit). Named BCUs are way too expensive, but, whatever.

5. IF in one of the steps above you ran out of grid, add Power Diagnostic(s) until all fits. If all already fits, pile up Shield Power Relays in all the remaining lows.
Note that Beta Reactor Control SPRs are identical in bonuses to T2 SPRs, but they use up less CPU. They're also a bit more expensive, but every bit of CPU might matter, so use it.

6. IF you have enough grid left for an extra LSE (I seriously doubt that, but stranger things have happened), add it.

7. COMPUTE how much your peak capacitor recharge is (2.5 * max cap / cap recharge time) with your current fit.
Depending on number of SPRs and PDSs, this could differ significantly... and then there's the skill levels too.
Add mission-specific hardeners as long as you still fit them CPU-wise and have enough peak capacitor recharge to perma-run them (-4 cap/sec for T1 invul, -3.33 cap/sec for T1 named invul, -3.2 cap/sec for T2 invul, -2 cap/sec for T1/T2 hards, -1.66 cap/sec for T1 named hards, you get the idea).

8. IF you have any leftover midslots (ideally, you should try not to have any left at this step, but what the heck), fill them up with Shield Rechargers (T2 preferably, best named ok-ish too).
DO NOT fit passive ones (resistance amplifiers).
Better use 4 named T1 mission-specific hardeners or even 3 T1 named plus a recharger than using 2 T2s and 2 resamps.
Only in extremely rare cases is using resamps acceptable for mission fits, and that is usually limited to cases where you KNOW you will be subjected to energy drain.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-11-11 02:23:19 UTC
Still good advice.

Are you fitting for level 4 missions? If you answer is yes, then skip drake and go straight to LMJD Raven.

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Laric Ralinor
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-11 04:27:31 UTC
Thanks for the reply. I'm actually just starting into lvl 2 missions, but didn't want to build an intermediate ship and the Corax I've been using for Sisters of Eve arc is clearly not up to lvl 2! I jumped in a bought a Drake before realizing the skills listed as required really wouldn't let me fly it well, so had to train up some more. Worth it at this point to just outfit the Drake with T1 mods until I've gotten to lvl 4, then build a good Raven? I'm well on my way towards Raven skill-wise, but figure I may as well learn the Drake?
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-11-11 04:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Caleidascope
Laric Ralinor wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I'm actually just starting into lvl 2 missions, but didn't want to build an intermediate ship and the Corax I've been using for Sisters of Eve arc is clearly not up to lvl 2! I jumped in a bought a Drake before realizing the skills listed as required really wouldn't let me fly it well, so had to train up some more. Worth it at this point to just outfit the Drake with T1 mods until I've gotten to lvl 4, then build a good Raven? I'm well on my way towards Raven skill-wise, but figure I may as well learn the Drake?

t1 fitted drake is fine for l2. l2 will be very easy for you. fit rapid light missile launchers and you can use auto targeting missiles. warp in, get agro, turn on auto targeters, sit back and do your nails.

one more thing. bring salvaging drones. isk is isk.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Laric Ralinor
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-11 05:00:41 UTC
Good tip on the salvage drones. Was going to load up some Hobgoblins, but sounds like they'd be overkill on lvl 2. Since rigs can't be removed, one last big question. The guidance I copied above says to install core defense field purgers. Assuming I'm going to move to a Raven for lvl 4, will the tech 1 version of the purger work for this Drake on lvl 3 missions or should I spend extra on the tech IIs?
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2013-11-11 09:49:24 UTC
Unless you are running level 4s in your Drake (No offense but lol) you seem to be over tanked for level 3s.

[Drake, lvl 3 PVE]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Hobgoblin II x5


This one is obviously fit for Therm/Kin but switch the hards as desired. That will easily get you through everything except the harder Sansha/Blood level 3s from what I remember, if you struggle with those for those swap a painter for an LSE.
Chris Winter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-11 11:04:01 UTC
Don't use Drake for L2s. Use an RLML Caracal. Drake doesn't get a bonus to RLMLs.

Also, Corax should be plenty for L2s. If you're having trouble using a Corax in L2s, you need to work on your skills a bit. Or a lot.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-11-11 18:19:13 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Don't use Drake for L2s. Use an RLML Caracal. Drake doesn't get a bonus to RLMLs.

Also, Corax should be plenty for L2s. If you're having trouble using a Corax in L2s, you need to work on your skills a bit. Or a lot.

You are not wrong, but... I think he already bought drake, there is no point buying another ship.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Laric Ralinor
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-12 04:38:20 UTC
Thanks for the all the feedback. I never put much time into my Corax. It has real basic mods and got me through the Sisters epic arc. Good to know it would handle lvl2s if I put some more thought into it. I only tried one and ran away!! As mentioned, I do indeed have the Drake hull, so going to mod that as recommended for lvl 3 and continue training towards skills for the Raven next for lvl 4.

Thanks!
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-11-12 04:47:46 UTC
Can the drake still perform well enough after its nerfs?

Admitedly the last time I flew a drake for missions was 4-5 years ago but even then it seemed to be more of a exercise in patience and frustration than something really efficient

No sig.

Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-11-12 05:07:55 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
Can the drake still perform well enough after its nerfs?

Admitedly the last time I flew a drake for missions was 4-5 years ago but even then it seemed to be more of a exercise in patience and frustration than something really efficient

We are talking here about Drake in l2 mission. L2 is not a stress test for any bc. In particular, Drake is huge overkill for l2.

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kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#12 - 2013-11-12 06:23:08 UTC  |  Edited by: kurage87
Fit RLML onto your Drake for L2s. The RLML aren't bonused but they'll still be a lot better at doing a L2 than either HML or HAM. Most of it is meta 3 so pretty cheap, and like the previous fits change the hardeners for the NPCs you face.

Cap stable @1000m/s, 220dps, 223 dps tank vs kin/therm.

[Drake, L2 drake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I

Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin I x5

Edit: If cap skills aren't all that great, just drop the MWD for an AB and put an Adaptive Shield Hardener on in place of the Eutectic.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-11-12 06:51:55 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
Can the drake still perform well enough after its nerfs?

Admitedly the last time I flew a drake for missions was 4-5 years ago but even then it seemed to be more of a exercise in patience and frustration than something really efficient


Drake's tank isn't changed appreciably, it can tank level 2 with a couple hardeners and ours naive recharge.It just doesn't have the damage to do level 4s.....unless you have a LOT of time in your hands.

For level.3 it can have a relatively light tank v and take nearly no damage.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#14 - 2013-11-12 08:36:34 UTC
A newbro mate of mine said it was quite effective, I guess projection wins out over raw DPS in level 3s.