EVE General Discussion

I have cleaned up the beginning of this thread. I've called for further moderation from CCL.

Humans by nature will not declare war without having a reasonable assurance of victory.

Making war so easy to commit is great for those who like to wage it, but bad by definition for those declared on, as by and large they cannot hope to succeed, due to aforementioned reason.

What is their alternative?
gtfo?
Evolve or die?
Join a better corp?

What if these are people who just want to mission/mine, in peace, with a small group of friends?
The system as stands doesn't really make this possible.

I can confirm i have had friends of mine join and leave after suffering war-dec after war dec and feeling they couldn't just play their own little slice of space pixels in peace.

Answer to your question OP is "yes", as those who want peace, cannot find it as the game stands right now.

I would propose limiting war-deccing to corp member numbers being within a certain range of each other, skillpoints being within a range etc. If you want war-deccing to be so easily available, at least modify the system such that everyone has a fighting chance.

This is just weak.

As the same for all the others:

A.) You joined a corp, which means you ACCEPTED the fact that you can be wardecced.

B.) If you don't want to be wardecced, DON'T join a player corp. You can mine/mission in peace all you want, in a NPC corp.

It's either A or B.

You CAN pick, so complaining about the wardec is utterly useless, as you DO HAVE an option.

That's just stupid and would be heavily exploited with extra accounts etc.

And you already have a fighting chance, get your carebear ass out of your mining ship and in a PvP ship.
Or hire help, you do know that defenders can have assistance in wars and there are Mercs in EVE who join your for a little bit of ISK.

Except in Eve it should be. That's why we play it, that's why it's been played for ten years, that's why we keep one sub going and troll the forums even when we don't have the time to play it, and that's why we don't care when people who don't like the one game where this happens leave for one of the other 10s of thousands of games where it doesn't.

I guess the only real issue with people who don't belong in eve leaving it is that they make so much noise on the way out.

War isn't making people leave.

They figure out that EVE isn't the game for them that makes them leave.
They likely expected a PvE game like the other more known MMOs and found out that EVE isn't that.

Wars have nothing to do with it, it's the lack of commitment and the thought you can carebear without risk is.

And luckily nobody gives a flying **** about what you find acceptable. EVE is a harsh game, build on PvP opportunities, wars are one of those. So take it or leave EVE, if the latter, most people won't miss you.

IMO CCP should perma ban anybody who ever complains about EVE or any of the game mechanics from ever play it again. If you don't like it, leave, shut the hell up and go play WoW, X Rebirth - Soon, CoD, BF or what ever suits your more.

U mad brah? Seriously, have some coffee.

when i was new in eve i encountered this war then another war, then another, then another thing people seem to moan about.

the corp i was in was at war for months with the same group and the corp had started too loose members, not many logged in and alot raged quit because they mined during a war... total carebears

i solved it the easy way.

i was one of the only people to go out and fight and loose ships, not loose them in a stupid way but actually fighting the people war deccing us.

i had no sp worth speaking of and didnt know what the hell i was doing, against a group of pilots who had been playing for years. After about the 4th fight, in a row, being blown up effortlessly there ceo convod me, probably expecting tears, instead i was like '**** me this is fun, lets go again'. Then we just started chatting, even some others from his corp joined the chat.

i got an invite to join them within the week and after i joined them they just seemed to leave my carebear friends alone to.

it ended up that the corp i was with that was dying survived, i learnt so much with them and got to pirate my socks off, wins all round. i loved my time with them, but also needed to make isk, so have now gone the WH space route, pvp and nice isk.

war changed my eve forever and in the best way possible. its how people respond to it that is the issue, not the current 'game mechanics' of it. if the people that cant adapt quit, then fine by me, eve isnt about getting an easy ride.

LOL internet toughguys!

Say it again, but in an Arnie voice. C'mon, just once....